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Old 08-21-2018, 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Spicy McHaggis
Excellent points but I can tell you why they are doing this. It’s not to pass up the 10,000hr RJ pilot. Everyone knows he’s going to be better than a CFI. This is an experiment to see if hiring from basically zero time will be viable in the future should the regional applicant pool dry up.
Maybe better but still unbelievably challenging for the Captain's. We hired quite a few RJ types in the last few yrs. Flying International to GUA, SJO, BOG, etc with language, NAV aid, ungroved runways in heavy rain, xwind etc....in a heavy jet with a low experienced RJ guys was a workout!
You were single pilot most of the time. But they could push the buttons on the FMC...yipee!
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Old 08-21-2018, 06:37 AM
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Good thing they'll pay us Captains extra to train these guys and gals out on the line, NOT !!
From the stories I’ve heard get ready to be single pilot.
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Old 08-21-2018, 06:39 AM
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Was it the head of the overall LCA program, or just a particular LCA on a particular fleet type? I would like to see our union look into this particular issue if the facts back up what you stated. It sort of reminds me of how Fred Abbot operated with his "pfriends of pfred" program. Just get done what he wants done via his relationships....
What he told me was the head of the overall LCA program, don’t know how true it is or where he got his info from.
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Old 08-21-2018, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Spicy McHaggis
What pilot from a regional has issues with flying in “high workload environments?” Almost all of them have been flying in and out of the busiest airports in the country for years.
I meant in sometime in their 121 career. Takes a month of line flying to get over that issue
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Old 08-21-2018, 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Spicy McHaggis
Excellent points but I can tell you why they are doing this. It’s not to pass up the 10,000hr RJ pilot. Everyone knows he’s going to be better than a CFI. This is an experiment to see if hiring from basically zero time will be viable in the future should the regional applicant pool dry up.
I have flown (at Spirit) with a lot of 12 year express jet guys that have been told at job fairs by legacy interviewers, they have too much time in the left seat, and it’s too hard to train them.
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Old 08-21-2018, 07:37 AM
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I have flown (at Spirit) with a lot of 12 year express jet guys that have been told at job fairs by legacy interviewers, they have too much time in the left seat, and it’s too hard to train them.
That sounds discriminatory to me.
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Old 08-21-2018, 07:45 AM
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That sounds discriminatory to me.
There was a thread on DL where one of their LCAs spoke about training issues. He said the hardest were the 50year old 20 year regional guys (“set in their ways, not used to outside inputs”), followed by military (“always very well prepared, but big change in how things work”). Easiest were the 25 year old 3 year regional FO. I remember this well, as a 50 year old guy who still has(had?) hopes.....
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Now that’s a kick in the junk.
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Old 08-21-2018, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by symbian simian
There was a thread on DL where one of their LCAs spoke about training issues. He said the hardest were the 50year old 20 year regional guys (“set in their ways, not used to outside inputs”), followed by military (“always very well prepared, but big change in how things work”). Easiest were the 25 year old 3 year regional FO. I remember this well, as a 50 year old guy who still has(had?) hopes.....
I think I remember that thread but disagree with it and see it as discrimination. In my opinion each person is different and I wouldn’t lump all 20 year regional guys in the same category. I’m in my early 30s and still working on my PPL due to work commitments. It sounds like I might not have a shot at the majors then.
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Old 08-21-2018, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by ItnStln
I think I remember that thread but disagree with it and see it as discrimination. In my opinion each person is different and I wouldn’t lump all 20 year regional guys in the same category. I’m in my early 30s and still working on my PPL due to work commitments. It sounds like I might not have a shot at the majors then.
No necessarily true. The people that got stuck are the ones hired in 2000, and than hiring stopped for 15 years, and now they see a lot of newish FOs getting hired while they are stuck. If you get your hired by a regional soon, you could be one of those FOs.
As far as lumping, the guy was comparing similar groups, and drew a general conclusion, he never suggested 50 year olds could not be trained, or every 25 year old was great. That is discrimination in the sense that to discriminate also means “recognition and understanding of the difference between one thing and another.” Is it unfair that companies try to hire the most capable people?
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