jsled

Nope. Not yet. But there will be 50 Air Willy RJs flying the United colors. That we know for certain.

89Pistons

Exactly. Traditionally, when UAL defers an order it's as good as cancelled.

davessn763

Any way we look at it, the apparent interest in scope relaxation by our management and the aircraft manufacturers is a public threat to the size of the mainline pilot group. As MoP states this is up to the 12500 pilots that get polled and then vote on what the NC brings to us from the table. If the next TA has scope relaxation in it, history shows the it will be ratified if the right demographics get the right amount of pay bump.

The Boeing aircraft order modification was bad for the pilot group anyway you look at it, and bad for the company as well. We are ceding domestic revenue to Delta, SWA, and the LCC’s because they have the right size aircraft for that market and we don’t. We are buying used aircraft, they are all buying new aircraft for domestic ops. Our Crown Jewels, west coast to Asia and East Coast to Europe, aren’t making the revenue they use to.

da42pilot

Hey all, is there a copy of your CBA online I could have access to? I’m interested in how the scope reads in its entirety.

Much appreciated!

Sniper66

60 B767-300s maybe
Boeing prediction as of later news

MasterOfPuppets

Really? Traditionally? you have any other proof of differed orders being cancelled outside the 40 Airbuses? Also are the CEOs, CFOs, COO, other VPs, the board etc that were here when those airbuses got differed still here?

Its one thing to learn from the past but it is a whole other thing to live in it.

MasterOfPuppets

Delta is NOT buying new aircraft. In fact ALL of their 717 were used from Air Tran.

SW is buying new MAXs but guess what so are we. our new MAXs start showing up in a few months.

Differing the 737-700s were not bad for the company. We have ordered used airbuses that so far equal a little less than 50% of the 737 order. We no longer have OLD technology we will be stuck with for 20+ years while everyone else runs around with new technology burning less fuel.

The only bad thing that happened to to the pilot group by the deferment of the 737 order was upward movement NOW. The MAX 10s will pay more in the long run and be cheaper for the company to operate. Not to mention there are now 100 of them on order instead of 65. Sounds like a win to me.

89Pistons

Is the cancellation of the Airbus order not enough? We had a few remaining 777-200 orders that were deferred and never delivered 15 years ago. You sound like you have faith that this group of upper management is any different from the previous. They all follow the same book. You must not have seen or recognized these moves before.

UAL T38 Phlyer

Differed: how two things are not the same.

Deferred: something that is postponed or delayed.

MasterOfPuppets

HAHA Thanks it didn’t look right but auto correct liked so I went with it.