Yep - clueless .....

I never use a recipe since I've been making it forever. It was late and I'm lazy so I found that link. This one is close, but after looking at it I'll make the following observations -

It calls for sugar. No way I'd add sugar as its plenty sweet already due to the concentrates. Unless of course you've got a house full of foo-foo drink swilling chicks, they'd probably like it. But our assembly is staffed with highly seasoned professional alcoholics. Sugar? We don't need no stinking sugar! And if you've got a house full of foo foo drink swilling chicks, can I come over next year?

I make my own tea, unsweetened. I use 2 or 3 teabags per cup and let it steep a while.

I put a hell of a lot more bourbon in. Typically we run out early so every year I make it stronger in an attempt to slow down its consumption. It never works, so it just keeps getting stronger. I use empty plastic milk jugs and start with half bourbon. I usually make two gallons. It takes longer to freeze up but it goes down just as fast.

Along those lines, if you've already ruined your liver you might like to try this...float a shot of fresh bourbon on top of the slush after you've filled a glass. It looks nice and it tastes great! It will however, start to thaw the slush in the glass. So let it sit for a just a minute. Once its imbued with citrous goodness just slurp that shot right off the top.

Thanks for that, I think? My college age kids think you are a genius!;)

And yep Tailwheel 48 is massivly clueless..

Nice. Don't think I have the time or ingredients (not going to the store today) but I will give it a shot on Saturday. Thanks for that. Again one of the better pieces of info I've received in this forum 😁

How do you figure this and do you actually know how many more seats there are in a 767-400 vs a 767-300? We Pilots voted this substandard contract in when we should have told the NC to get their asses back in there and renegotiate individual aircraft pay rates.

What's our excuse going to be next time? Tell your Reps that under no circumstances are we to keep the crappy pay banding and pay out airframes on an individual basis or is it so much easier to keep blaming someone else for our failures?

As you already know, Jay POS is the reason the pay banding happened. You also know why the contract had to be voted in. And that reason is that CAL was pulling a EAL on UAL at the time. This is not rocket surgery.

Now go drink a bourbon slush and relax. Hopefully we are all pulling on the same side of the rope for the next contract. This unity stuff actually works when you're unified.

Hoss,

Yes its in the rear view but I don't agree that it simply had to be voted in. All water under the bridge but my point stands. Let the MEC know that we're done with pay banding and anyone who does not do so will get what they deserve. Better yet, just vote NO !!

Seems like lots of history rewrites going on around here. Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.

Here's my recollection of events:

1. Delta was the first post bankruptcy, post merger contract. Delta banded their 777 and 747 payrates. First precedent.

2. United, somewhere during their bankruptcy, banded their 747 and 777 payrates. Second precedent.

3. Continental banded the 767-400 (and - 200) and 777 very early on, when the 767's were introduced to the fleet. This was done as part of a non-bankruptcy contract. The subset of pilots who flew the 767's were very senior and could easily have held 777 but chose to fly the 767 because it had some pretty attractive flying. Third precedent.

4. When the merger happened the W2's had to be considered as part of the career expectations game and many CAL 767 pilots out-earned their UAL WB counterparts in the years leading up to the merger. Obviously the CAL merger committee would do what they could to protect these pilots, hence the pay-banding. It wasn't some sort of Seniority Integration maneuver, as has been alleged but simple precedent - those pilots had been making WB pay for years.

5. Attempting to establish a better payrate for the 747 pilots was a fools errand. Delta was paying 747 pilots the same as 777 pilots, and the negotiating committee decided, rightly I believe, not to squander negotiating capital on pursuing an unrealistic objective for a fleet that was going away anyway.

6. Fast forward to the current time and United has one payrate for 777, 787 and 767-400 pilots. Delta has two, one for 777, 747 and 350, and another for 767-400, A330 and 787. Interestingly enough, this second WB payrate lags United's by about $20/hour.

So, bottom line, United has equivalent rates for the 777, but higher rates than Delta for the 787 and 767-400.

In my view this illustrates that our negotiating committee did a great thing by banding the rates. We have more pilots on more fleets making higher rates than Delta. Delta never took delivery of the 787 and United has no 330's though if we did, they'd be paid at our higher rate!

I find it incredulous that a United pilot would complain about the 767-400 rates when they're $20 higher than Delta. Perhaps I could understand a Delta pilot complaining about it!

And, like other posters have noted, it's time to look forward instead of back. I hope more United pilots will be at the highest rates, not less!

Stop, your talking logic and facts, most people on here don't want to hear that. :)

Fact: There has never been one single time where an aircraft was banded up. Ever. Money was taken away from the higher paying aircraft to fund the junior pilots raise.

You guys are making yourselves look pretty gullible. Please stop. Management has moles on this board.