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Viperstick 11-20-2017 05:09 AM

So about the issue of not being able to SC/FS a WB reserve with two days available left...

Can the company slap FDOs on the back end of normal reserve days to get around this? Does this mean LAX 777 crews that are flying domestic trips are bullet proof once inside two days of the end of their reserve period?

MasterOfPuppets 11-20-2017 05:36 AM


Originally Posted by Viperstick (Post 2469225)
So about the issue of not being able to SC/FS a WB reserve with two days available left...

Can the company slap FDOs on the back end of normal reserve days to get around this? Does this mean LAX 777 crews that are flying domestic trips are bullet proof once inside two days of the end of their reserve period?

The only protection is for days prior to immovable days (GDO, HDO, VAC). They will bypass you but can still assign you because your RDOs are rollable.

DG1000 11-21-2017 12:59 PM


Originally Posted by Viperstick (Post 2469225)
Does this mean LAX 777 crews that are flying domestic trips are bullet proof once inside two days of the end of their reserve period?

A global fleet follows global rules regardless of wether the trip is domestic or international.

Except for 756 crews that is. The LOA 48 enhancemennts effectively create a third category outside of basic and global.

MasterOfPuppets 11-21-2017 01:41 PM


Originally Posted by DG1000 (Post 2470058)
A global fleet follows global rules regardless of wether the trip is domestic or international.

Except for 756 crews that is. The LOA 48 enhancemennts effectively create a third category outside of basic and global.

That is incorrect LAX 777 is bid as a basic category. All days off are HDOs. The base has to have a Global flight to be bid as a global base.

DG1000 11-21-2017 02:11 PM


Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 2470085)
That is incorrect LAX 777 is bid as a basic category. All days off are HDOs. The base has to have a Global flight to be bid as a global base.

I stand corrected then. Apologies.

So in effect they get the benefits of basic rules and LOA 48?

tailwheel48 11-21-2017 05:03 PM


Originally Posted by 757Driver (Post 2468456)
I'm going to disagree with you on this. Both United and Delta had this provision well before us CAL guys ever showed up. CAL always paid widebody rates for 767-200 so I'd venture to say Delta and United dropped the ball way before our first combined contract ever hit the scene.

Yeah, it was a hell of a deal! And the CAL guys attempted, albeit unsuccessfully, to get the 757-300 included as widebody based on the premise that it carried more pax than a 767-200.

757Driver 11-22-2017 05:40 AM


Originally Posted by tailwheel48 (Post 2470184)
Yeah, it was a hell of a deal! And the CAL guys attempted, albeit unsuccessfully, to get the 757-300 included as widebody based on the premise that it carried more pax than a 767-200.

As much as I disliked Mr. Pierce, its fun to see other guys get on here and try and rewrite history. The 767-300 and the 757-300 should have both been put in the widebody category.

svergin 11-22-2017 09:23 AM


Originally Posted by tailwheel48 (Post 2470184)
Yeah, it was a hell of a deal! And the CAL guys attempted, albeit unsuccessfully, to get the 757-300 included as widebody based on the premise that it carried more pax than a 767-200.

Airline Pilot: "I can't believe we got management to give us widebody rates for 767-400."

Management: "I can't believe we got the pilots to fly 777s and A-350s for 767-400 pay."

UAL T38 Phlyer 11-22-2017 09:33 AM


Originally Posted by svergin (Post 2470473)
Airline Pilot: "I can't believe we got management to give us widebody rates for 767-400."

Management: "I can't believe we got the pilots to fly 777s and A-350s for 767-400 pay."

You Sir, have won CCS and Flying Together for the week (not the whole internet; just the United-specific portion). :p

I imagine a split-screen scene, with the NC on one side, and Company management on the other. Both lead roles are played by Charlie Sheen, and as they walk off triumphantly, both sides say "Winning!!"

tailwheel48 11-22-2017 02:21 PM


Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer (Post 2470478)
You Sir, have won CCS and Flying Together for the week (not the whole internet; just the United-specific portion). :p

I imagine a split-screen scene, with the NC on one side, and Company management on the other. Both lead roles are played by Charlie Sheen, and as they walk off triumphantly, both sides say "Winning!!"

Bottom line, it's better to have more pilots at the higher rate! CAL 767 pilots were getting paid the same rate as UAL 747 pilots pre-merger. The only ruffled feathers were some of the 74 guys (and some UAL 76 pilots who were making less than their CAL counterparts) who thought they should get paid more which, at the time, was unrealistic when compared to rates across the industry.


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