32 new hires. unknown, to me atleast l, how many furlough returns.

The classes are separate. Returning pilots go to 1 week of "Redoc", which starts on Monday. New hires go to 2 weeks of "BI", which starts on Tuesday. Not much overlap. My unconfirmed intel suggest each Redoc class is normally limited to about 9 returnees (max). Based on posts in this forum, the BI classes seem to have about 31 or 32, so the pilot training load in Denver is about 40 pilots per cycle. I believe the Feb 5th Redoc class had about 9 returnees and I think the Feb 19th Redoc class will have about 6 returnees...but all of this is based on 2nd hand info.

32 new hires per class would be nice. Thanks guys.

unless something has changed in the last 4 years returnees (furlough/mil leave) go to BI just like new hires... unless they have been out for less than a year.

I had 2 returnees in my BI class in 15 as well.

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Yes, it changed recently.

How many furloughees are still out there?

When is the final ‘last call’ when they have to accept recall or lose their chance?

I know it would be a guess, but what percentage do you think will accept recall?

As reference, the final group of the furloughed exTWA AA pilots had significantly less than 50% that accepted ‘last call’.

Yeah, not true. I have personal knowledge that's not the way it is. It should be, but it's not.

There are still about 200 out. The first group has to be back by fall of this year, 08' furloughs, and the second group needs to be back by next fall, 09' furloughs.

UAL furloughed 1437 and CAL furloughed 147. So thats a pretty high return percentage.

Thanks! Think that helps a lot who were unclear.

Just for clarification, the return percentage for the exTWA AA Pilots I was saying was of the very ‘last call’ batch.

There were well over a thousand that returned in previous years. There were a few hundred that declined and came off the list in previous years. I am not talking about them.

TWA Pilots got incredibly hosed by AA, not to mention the horrid culture they’d return to. I’m surprised even that many returned.

I am sorry you hate AA. As a whole, most furloughed TWA pilots returned on initial recall. They jumped at the chance. The percentage I quote is for the final batch that waited until the ‘last call’ to decide.

Yes, somewhere between a third and a half of the TWA pilots got stapled. Someone who had 10 years was below a brand new LAA pilot. That meant it was the TWA pilots that got furloughed.

Worse, a 35 year TWA FA was stapled below a brand new LAA FA. But, it is what it is. People have sucked it up and dealt with it . There has been a lot of progress in recent years, pay and otherwise. It is still not perfect, nor is any airline.

If it was not for American TWA would have shut down day after 9/11
Big mistake for AMR to buy them ——- 6.5 billion dollars FUp $$$

It is 10 years from the date they were furloughed the last time.

For reference, a couple of guys I know were hired late 99 or early 2000: they must be back NLT Sept 2018.

Memory serves, it was $500 million AA paid for TWA and they received 190 planes in the deal. That amounts to $2.6 million per plane. Pretty decent cost per used plane. (Mostly MD80s, with some 717, 757, and 747s.) There were some other liabilities. But, you may recall it better than I.

Incidentally, the last TWA plane is planned to be retired by AA end of this year, 2018, so they got some good flying out of the aircraft they acquired. Oh, and they also got some loyal PAX and a bunch of pilots and FA thrown in as a party favor.

I just saw a Delta 757 with a TW N number. Aren't those planes the ones traded by AMR to Delta? Pratts for the RR planes Delta had? Those should live on at Delta for quite a while.

Those are also the 75s that have 2 jumpseats. I think they generally do things like JFK-LAX and Atlantic.

Your info is in error. I am a 03/2000 hire. My drop dead date is 09/2019.

Ru coming back?

Yup, end of this year or beginning of 2019. Waiting for WB FO to start going a bit more jr.

Aren’t we all. :)
Welcome back.

I was disappointed by how senior it has been going. Hoping more bids will loosen things up.
Thanks for the welcome. I am looking forward to returning.

Sorry if this was mentioned recently but what is the junior aircraft in ORD and currently how long does it take to get there? thanks

Right now its the 320, I believe this last bid or the one before it had people still in training awarded ORD. The 737 there is at about a year seniority currently.

Wow big difference between the 320 and the 73. Thanks for the info

Where have you been in mean time ?

Ya just know that it has gone back and forth. When I was hired in ‘15 it was the opposite, Guppy was the quickest way to ORD and quickest way to a line...

Last vacancy shows junior 320 FO is 67 seniority numbers from the most junior 737 FO. 737 being the more senior of the two.

I was hired in March of last year and my first month in ORD was January this year. 320.

True... but the drop dead date you mention is only valid if we are still hiring in 2019... if not hiring they are not required to recall any pilots. I think there are a lot of pilots planning on waiting to the last possible class... no guarantees classes will be available.

Thanks. Any word on growing the 320 or 73 in ORD?

320 growth is allegedly in SFO, ORD, and EWR.

Been flying in Asia 747/777.

With the planned growth and retirements. If UA is not hiring in 2019. Something bad has happened. At that point returning will be the least of my problems.
Fingers crossed that the economy continues to improve at home and abroad.

lots of events can lead to a stagnation in hiring... a merger, economic stagnation/downturn, Age 67 rule change, list goes on and on.

I'm with you on the fingers crossed and things continue on an upward path...

We just got over an 8 or so month period without any hiring. You might want to take that into consideration if the window between the time you want to come back and your drop dead date is thin.

Watching it like a hawk. I figure on a 10 month cusion. But as you say will have to keep watch closely.

20 Feb 2018 Class drop
 

class drop today (confusing as I was told the class is 35)

Probably 35 new hires and some furlough returns

They have to fill 17x 73, 17x Airbus and the 75. The rest will roll to the next class on March 6.

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Sadly, those vacancies were all that were created by the last vacancy bid for line pilots. That bid had an effective date of the end of May (beginning of June bid month) and last for 90 days after that effective date if memory serves. Then they expire. That means the company has time for the pull back on new hires for the summer before they have to release a new vacancy bid to create slots for new hires. By contract, any slot has to first be offered to a line pilot (e.g. lateral) before a new hire can bid on it.

Seems in line with the classes announced so far......unfortunately.

As a side note, I figure the 737 would have quicker movement but the 320 is far more ergonomically comfortable. Pick your poison. That’s coming from someone who has flown both for 6K. But, leaving the 777 for the 737 left seat after 20 years here. Time to know who the a$$hat Capt is I’ll be flying with every trip......

Lee