Congrats Lee

Class drop
 

What determines class seniority? Is it last 4 of your SS? Any updates on how many are in the pool?

Believe it’s now racked/stacked by furlough bypass returns (seniority date) THEN by the age of all the off street hires (oldest to youngest).

Oh really? I thought you didn't give a *******.

HAHA

filler

For what it’s worth, trying to coordinate a class for return from furlough and the information I got yesterday wasn’t real encouraging. Granted things can change at the drop of a hat, but I got the distinct impression from the company that there wouldn’t be any additional classes until fall.....maybe. Seriously? What’s going on that I’m overlooking? There are 400 retirements this year alone and we aren’t hiring?

The hiring/recall page hasn’t been updated so nothing to pass from there, but sources tell me we’re still running full classes through at least April before the summer rush. Welcome back!

I had a M&G this week and was told that United needs 60 a month this year, and will need to ramp up to 100 a month next year.

Is it true that there typically is a summer drawdown from training & then ramps up again in the fall?

Have spoken with some of your crews who thought they would keep some training going, due to the numbers required to hire/train.

Thoughts?

All I know is that I have been in contact with a pilot hiring coordinator and the info I got is that there are no additional classes planned until fall. And even then, they stated “possibly fall”. The only advice I was given was to keep checking the UAL Flying Together website for any additional class dates. Who knows. It doesn’t surprise me with UAL as they constantly are adjusting their plan and half the time the left hand doesn’t know what the right is doing. Very frustrating, but it’s on me for not going back sooner. Time will tell and will have to just wait and see.....

What they need vs. what they do are differnet. Thus far this year, it’s been about 60 a month for Jan and Feb, but I believe it’s only one class for March. IF they do the usual summer halt (highly likely), it’s onky 60/mo for the months they run classes.

Historically, that is true.

However, 2017 was SUPPOSED to see a resume of hiring in the fall. They didn’t run a new hire class till December.

Anyone have the drop for today? Fingers crossed for 756 EWR

From an LSC update sent this week....


Manpower Planning: There are no known vacancies or displacements for the foreseeable future. We don’t expect to see a future flying plan from marketing until May, therefore the pilot requirements going forward are not known at this time. There is one class of furlough returnees on 3/05, but no other new-hire classes planned. All remaining transition training, including from the 747, should be complete by April.

Allegiant just drew down hiring too. Hmm

You talking merger? Other than the 50ish Airbus the other half of their fleet is aged MDs... I guess buying them would solve the manpower issue for awhile if they park all the old metal. Possible but my guess highly unlikely.

I'm putting my money on a slow down due to the uncertainty of our fleet... mgmt wants more RJs... pilots don't. If mgmt gets what they want (we sell out) then hiring (mainline growth) will slow drastically... if pilots win then hiring flood gates will open.

Allegiant will be all Airbus by end of 2018. In the current environment I find it odd that both of our companies stopped hiring. Whether that spells merger or not is anyone’s guess, but yes I agree the quick transition course of 900 pilots and no anti-trust barriers to merger (and Andrew Levy came from Allegiant) adds up to some possibilities.

Apologies for derailing the thread.

I heard middle of August will be the announcement :p

Apologies for added thread derailment.

I heard their SLI proposal will be 1 for 1.

*The previous poster that derailed the thread has been sacked.

No apology needed......and you are not the first person I have heard about Alley-Giant and UAL merging.

Edited for further derailing! :D

What does Allegiant bring to the table for a merger? I don't see the benefit. They are really not a competitor. I would think right now we would want to "eat" a competitor, or buy something that would fill a hole in the network, like a hub in the SE US.

Acquisitions are mergers. Just like when UAL acquired CAL they “merged” and CAL shareholders were given UAL stock in place of their CAL stock. I’m guessing any Allegiant “acquisition” would be all-cash though. It would still be a merger because those assets would be “merged” into UAL, just like we were assimilated into UAL from CAL.

Bring it on... more the merrier.

Who ever said a merger has to be about eliminating competition?

It’s been proven that sometimes it’s needed because organic growth can’t be achieved.

SW and AirTran, UPS and Challenge, etc.

Isn't thier stock price crazy high??? Quite experience of a purchase ? Does anyone know so they own most of their aircraft or on they on lease programs ?

I've got an interview for May 8th so they are still looking at growing. Obviously don't know when class may be (if I'm blessed enough to be hired), but some recent new-hires were getting fall classes.

Probably so.

But I wouldn't equate interviewing/hiring with growing.

Recalls plus new hires for 2018 only nets aboutt 200 additional bodies after retirements. 200 bodies which could have been used LAST YEAR.

So far the 5 classes this year have accounted for roughly 25-30% of 2018's hiring/vacancy fill projection.

2017 only netted about 100 additional I believe.

All info regarding future classes subject to change by the time this comment gets submitted ..

Tiggerpilot, are you interviewing with UAL or Allegiant? Curious which one your post was in reference to. Thanks and good luck

"I've got an interview for May 8th so they are still looking at growing. Obviously don't know when class may be (if I'm blessed enough to be hired), but some recent new-hires were getting fall classes."

Be careful what you wish for. You'll be on reserve for a LONG time on a stagnant fleet. Guppy or Fifi would give you a much better QOL for basically the same $$. Just sayin'. Good luck and welcome aboard. 😎

We should get comfortable in the seat and domicile we're in because we're going to be here for a while save for a base trade.

At least it’s something to fill the void while classes are in hiatus....

Was there a new hire class on 6 March or not?


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Was there a new hire class on 6 March or not?


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Yeap, you are right. It's not so much growth as keeping up with attrition.

United. Don't get me wrong, Allegiant is a good choice for some. But heck, man, it's United! :)

Thanks!!!!

Can't believe I missed that:cool:

30 new hires on the 3/6 class. No 756. 3 airbus(2 LAX, 1 SFO) 27 737(3 EWR, 2 LAX, 22 SFO).

Thought there were 9 returnees as well in which 7 took Airbus (3 LAX, 2 SFO, 2 EWR) and other two took 737 (1 SFO and not sure of the other one)

Yes, the returnees on 3/5 are in addition to the new hires that started on 3/6.