Everything is just yoga pants these days ;-)

I think for most of us, the goal at BI and probation for that matter was to not stick out. So the middle ground as far as dress goes, would be slacks/nice chinos and a button up shirt.

on the more formal end, some dudes wore suits/sport coats all the way through BI, and on the informal end, some guys wore khakis and polos. The women in my class (all 2) erred on the more formal side...But I have no idea what the equivalent would be for feminine clothing

once you get to sim, on probation I’d be conservative and avoid jeans or non-collared shirts, but khakis and a polo would be completely normal

I wore shorts and flip flops....but I had naked pictures of smisek

Is there a wing ceremony or some kind of formal event that happens where new hires wear suits and have a banquet with guests? I think I’ve seen pictures online in the past of new hire classes in suits standing on stairs. Might not be the same airline though

Still last 4 of SSN from high to low?

if I am not mistaken that changed
by age from now on

There is a winging ceremony, most people in my class didn’t invite anyone, however you are allowed to invite who you like. I wouldn’t bring kids. It happens at the end of Indoc. We decided as a class how we wanted to look for the photo and decided on suits. All the info I just gave is about 6 years old though so take it with a grain of salt.

For all the people asking about training on a specific type. You’ll get a training syllabus, it literally tells you what to study and where to find what to study in the manual for each and every day. If you simply read and look up the material it tells you to read you’ll have no problems.

The training environment is all about learning and getting you through with the best understanding you can possibly have of your new airplane. Instructors are helpful and you shouldn’t find any stump the dummy style training. If you’ve got a question ask it! There are no stupid questions.

Here is the training breakdown after indoc;

Systems + a systems validation.

Procedures done in a fixed base non motion sim + a procedures validation

Maneuvers in the full motion sim + a maneuvers validation.

The final phase is LOFT phase then your final evaluation is the Line Oriented Evaluation.

If you need additional training the stop points are the validations. You’ll receive additional training as much as you need after a validation. Once you’re caught up you continue moving through training. By the time you get to your LOE it should be the easiest thing you’ve done in the sim. You’ll be over prepared for the LOE.

Just a note on the difference between training and validations. Training is training the instructor will teach and explain and show. Validations are not a training session. The evaluator will simply watch and evaluate with very minimal if any instruction. The job of an evaluator is to see if you meet the standards and will be able to succeed in the next training block.

If you need additional training THAT IS NOT A FAILURE! You won’t be washed out or chastised. You’ll be trained to proficiency and then move back into the training flow.

I was an instructor/evaluator off and on for a total of 13 years. In all that time I’ve had maybe three crews that needed additional training on a qual maneuvers validation. And maybe that many who needed additional training at the end of the loft phase.

The biggest area that I saw additional training events was on the procedures phase on the 756. When I was teaching on it the program was not set up for new hires, Back then if you didn’t already know how to work the 756 FMC you were going to need some additional training. I’m guessing that has changed.

And just BTW everybody that got additional training went on to pass the course with no problems. The training at UAL is set up for success and learning. You’ve got to some serious personality flaws to wash out of training here.

Ceremony via zoom video now from what I’ve heard.

Bu DOB oldest to youngest.

ODB most senior to 8 Ball most junior.

Clean (un-ripped) jeans and a collard shirt meets the requirements. Most new-hires wear slacks and collard shirts through indoc, but they don't have to. There is absolutely no need to wear a tie.

ID picture is on day 1. Wear, or change into, the shirt you want on your ID.
Wings ceremony is at the end of the second week. Class and individual pictures are taken. Wear what you want for those pics.

Thank you very much for the details.

Pretty much sums up the footprint. The hardest thing for me with the 756 course was the systems validation due to all of the differences. The test gets into the weeds on the differences between the different 756 types. The format is great though. You need to have completed all systems CBT’s and have a fairly solid understanding before class starts or you’ll be drinking from a fire hose. Review the systems in the morning with an instructor, and then go apply them in a FTD in the afternoon. There are a bunch of FTD’s to have flows, call outs, and procedures down cold before getting to full flight sims. My training partner and I both had lots of prior Boeing box time, so by the time that we got to full flight sims we were actually bored and wanting to speed things up. My only complaint is that they need to add another day or two to systems considering how many different planes you have to know, but the quality of instructors and consistency was spot on.

Does anyone know when these folks interviewed? Are they still 2020 CJOs or has UAL gotten to the 2021 interviewees already?

I'm pretty sure that the first class for new interviews from 2021 is June 22nd. I was an interview during the first of May and I'm in the June 29th class

Great, thanks. And congrats!

No problem. Thanks!

Wow, that is the exact training footprint at SkyWest. Other than the validations are a big deal as it’s considered a PRIA event so don’t mess up, only your entire career depends on it...

Anyways, reading this makes me want a job at UAL even more.

So today’s class drop was?

GUM 737 - Up to 8
LAX 737 - Up to 16
DEN 320 - 2
EWR 320 - 8
EWR 737 - Unlimited
SFO 737 - Unlimited

wow.. the unlimited ones are amazing. Is it harder to commute to LAX or SFO from a hub like IAH? Cost of living is high out west. How do y’all manage? What’s the differences between 737 LAX and SFO? I remember precovid the standby list for SFO would be 80 people deep.

Future pilot here. Been following the new hire info on this platform. Anyone have any idea which fleet types and bases will be vacant for the July classes? Thanks.

Pretty much can count on majority being 737 EWR/SFO with some lax. Possibly some den or Guam- maybe but I wouldn’t bank on it. Much fewer Airbus slots, also would be primarily EWR and SFO. Wouldn’t be surprised to start seeing 756 EWR on the lists as well due to the massive amount of vacancies unfilled

Awesome, thank you! Will there be a time when the exact numbers are out? In July?

If you search some earlier posts, one of the recent hires mentioned when they announced the BES selections to their class. It’s not something that is broadcast to all current pilots

They don’t release anything, only way we know even currently here is when new hires post the class drop. But as the person above said looking at the past few posts on drops will give you a good idea..I’d expect the now ewr/sfo bases to get filled quickly and you’ll likely be stuck with the wonderful choice of Newark or San Fran on the guppy

in my opinion, LAX is the way to go. Usually the weather is better, and the standby list is shorter. IDK who else does that route but many other airlines are based in LAX which usually means more options as well.

Thanks for the info everyone!

Does LAX cover other airports or just LAX?


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ONT and SNA as well.

and BUR
pre-COVID

I understand things are always changing, but for a new hire the fastest way to ORD: 320 or 737?

737 is the growth fleet. It’s the best bet for any base.

take it for what it’s worth:

going forward the quickest route anywhere will be on the 737 (including upgrade). The 320/319 fleet will start to shrink as MAXs come onboard. The 320 has a cult following and the senior pilots won’t leave unless the A350 shows up.

The Airbus is just so much more comfortable. I wasn’t a believer until I came over. It’s gonna be hard to leave it when the time comes, despite the less desirable flying.

it’s all about perspective.

When I got my 737 FO bid in 2016, I discovered it was the most comfortable aircraft I’d ever flown.

U like to have a stick in between ur legs?

The guppy’s ok once you make your nest and don’t have to get up. Then there’s the choices of: noise fatigue/ loss of hearing (minitel/ no headset), sore ears, or a sweaty head if you choose to wear a noise canceling headset.

I think that says a lot about what you’ve flown....or more importantly haven’t.