Zoomie

Either he was lying to you, you misunderstood him, or he is one of a few rare “uncapped” instructors who isn’t capped at 9th yr FO pay which is what the UPA dictates(Uncapped Instructors are guys who were grandfathered under the previous contract or won a grievance to match those who were grandfathered)

Per the UPA, I/Es (no longer PIs), are maxed out as “best held” 90 hrs per month plus $1215 override, so that would be the min. Best held means u have to be at least senior 1 WB FO to get WB pay.

Max of 3 overtimes at 5.3 hrs for 1st 2 OTs and 200% on 3rd OT makes a a max of 21.2 hrs add pay. So the max would be 111.2 hrs of 9th yr FO pay + $1215.

Evaluators(Captains) are not capped obviously, but the same hourly rate applies, $111.2 is max hrs plus override($1350 or
$1485)

Historically speaking it was a snowballs chance in hell to get 3 OT events. It’s only the last 3-6 months where this has been easier on the 737 fleet due to shortages.

If your friend was TDY from IAH last summer, then he was getting paid Per Diem for the time he was away from home + $25 a day for the days he worked. TDY pay went away last August.

Andy

Thanks; that's why I stated that I didn't have the answer.

I said upthread that I want line pilots doing the instruction; that hasn't changed. I assumed, incorrectly, that this was the norm at all airlines.

Andy

9th to 12th yr WB FO pay's only a 4% difference. Not enough to be a serious deterrent IMHO.

He was an IAH PI on the 737, now at TK. I was shocked at how much he said he grossed last year. Not jealous, just shocked; I figured that he had to ***** himself out quite a bit to make that much.

I also hear some insane numbers on occasion from fellow line swine. I'll pick up extra days on occasion but I'm not going to try to kill myself in order to try grossing >$300K (including PS) in a year.

Andy

As a fellow 2172, I have to agree with guppie. I'd prefer a much leaner operation where there are, as he stated, we should be allowed to drop below minimum days and fly over vacation on a voluntary basis.

In the next downturn, management is going to park some of our older equipment until they right-size supply with reduced demand. The best way to minimize furloughs IMHO is to have pilots allowed to fly a ton of hours during the good times so that all that's required is to reducing the number of flying hours in line construction, as is currently listed in 5-B-1-(a)-1. But I'd tighten that up a bit, not allowing the company to construct lines above 80 hrs if any pilot's furloughed.
In addition, I'd open up 20-P-1-h to allow pilots to drop down to zero hours rather than have to do a voluntary furlough.

The downside to allowing a ton of flying during good times is that some pilots will get hooked on 100+ credit hour paychecks and will not be happy when their hours are reduced. But by cutting the number of hours they're able to fly, furloughs would be significantly reduced.

Andy

OK, that's just insane. I don't follow what goes on at TK, but that should not be permitted. A single PI can't effectively act as both instructor and fill-in during a full motion simulator period.

Airhoss

It is legal for certain training events. And it does occur from time to time.

TCASTESTOK

So what exactly does TK mean? In the IATA codes TK refers to Turkish Airlines.

Guppydriver95

It’s the 2 letter code for the Denver training center. There’s lots of theories about how “TK” was chosen, but I’ve never heard anything other than speculation. Since the merger, it’s no longer “officially” TK, but at United, it’ll always be TK, just as the 737 will always be the Guppy.

Zoomie

If he was commuting from IAH, then he was getting TDY pay, which was temporary. I think it came out to roughly an extra $3000 a month, non-taxable due to it being "per diem". That pay last year was an anomaly, thus he won't be getting that kind of money this year.

Zoomie

So, you think that pilots and management will want to reduce hours and lose efficiency during a downturn? So are you a person that historically picks up open time > 111 hrs of credit each month? I don't believe for one second that during a downturn those that fly 90-110 hrs of credit a month will just go along with 70-80 credit hrs a month. Yeah, right...

Study history much? Please take a trip down memory lane and remove the blinders...

The last downturn, you couldn't stop pilots picking up overtime, and the union couldn't even suggest it. If you think management will agree to a clause in the UPA that will restrict them from being efficient while, God forbid, we have furloughs, you are willing to give up much more than most to line your own pockets. Ask the FedEX guys how they enjoyed their reduced schedule during the last downturn with a clause that was similar to what you suggest...

Without a clause like this in the UPA, pilots will justify picking up overtime like they have done time and time again because they will say, "Open time pickup is in the UPA, and that's my right," and "I've got bills to pay, yadah yadah yadah."

It sounds like you are a management wet dream (just take a look at their openers) or just a flying ***** who would fly till they die if it weren't for FAR preventing them from doing so.

It sounds like you finally got to the seat where you wanna be for the rest of your career, or are at least content with it, so manpower negative policies won't have a large effect on you.

Sorry, but no thanks. Some people who have been stagnant for 5-15 years would still like to be able to bid CA before they are 55 years old.