Someone posted on another thread that “TK” stands for “ticketing”, because that’s what the site was used for long ago.

 

That is probably true. Back in the day I believe the whole lower floor was a reservation center.

 

Interesting. I always bought the Training Kingdom line of thought.

 

You're firing a ton of questions at me. I'll answer what I can, but seriously, lighten up francis.

Management doesn't have a choice BUT to reduce hours and lose efficiency during a downturn if they start furloughing. See 5-B-1-(a)-1. It reduces credit hours for line construction.

111 credit hrs? No. Here are my last 10 monthly credit hours, as shown on my PayAdvice from flyingtogether: 87.5, 85.67, 74.0, 87.42, 88.43, 99.08, 74.0, 72.12, 90.0, 73.0.

Study history? Rather open question - please be more specific.

As for the rest of your post, you sound like a total DB. I shudder to think of the poor FOs who would be stuck flying with your miserable, whiney self. You can't even have a civil exchange with someone with a different point of view. Again, lighten up francis.

 

I've heard "Training and Knowledge" as well.

 

Yeah, I fired a lot at you. You have a “me, me, me” attitude which is a detriment to Union negotiations. You say I sound like a DB because I’m passionate about preserving jobs at United? What exactly was it that I said that was so douchey? Was it that I had a negative tone in my post to your desire to reduce staffing and run a more “lean” operation.
Like I said, u just asked for exactly what management wants in their openers. I guess if u were negotiating, we’d already have a new contract, but no movement for 10 years.

Take a look in the mirror buddy. You are the one who wants to reduce hiring so that you can get another 10-20 hrs a month by giving up our hard earned Vacation and benefits.

All I know about you is what you posted here, which isn’t much. I address your naivety, because if you’ve been here as long as it sounds, you should know better.

If you can’t be satisfied with the hrs that are available in the current UPA, then I’d hate to see you if furloughs start happening.

Block hrs translate to jobs. I guess you have yours, so pull up the ladder, eh? There’s a happy medium to line holder guarantees, and the reason is because most people don’t want to kill themselves by working 20+ days a month. If you wanna work harder, pick up an extra trip and then get a side job if u max out based on current rules.

The truth is, when furloughs happen under a contract like we have now, all those BS clauses u think are going to help you don’t...because they will be negotiatiated away in concessions.

No furlough clause, worth nothing.

The old saying goes, the Union’s main directive in most cases is to save us from ourselves.

Case in point.

 

OMG, you're hilarious francis. You're not passionate about preserving jobs; you're passionate about wanting to sit in the left seat and want to impose your personal opinion on others. And I have zero doubt that once you finally get to the left seat, you'll be one of those hours hogs that you so loudly protest. Because if anyone is all about 'me', it's YOU.

Me pick up extra time? Rarely. I posted my last 10 paychecks to make it easy for you to calculate my average monthly credit. 83.122 hrs. The line I was awarded for March was 87.5, exactly what I was paid. I don't have my Feb award (no longer in CCS) but I traded one higher credit trip for a lower credit trip; my awarded line was ~88 hrs. Beyond that, I don't remember other than I tend to decrease my line credit.
Over the last 10 months, I've dropped more hours than I've added so you are completely out to lunch.

And even if I were picking up a bunch of open time, I'd be well within the contract to do so. Just because you want to be a captain ASAP (I still shudder at the thought) does not mean that the rest of us need to drop to 50 hours to make that happen.

What you want to do is featherbed - that's a sure way to cripple an employer in today's business environment. It creates two problems. 1) it makes the company less profitable because the cost per labor hour rises (this is due to nonwage costs associated with each employee) and 2) your idea of low credit hours during good times actually increases furloughs during bad times. Ever wonder why Southwest hasn't needed to furlough? Because the credit hour hogs reduce their time during lean times. If United did the same thing, it would greatly reduce furloughs. But all you care about is being a captain; this entire discussion has nothing to do with company efficiency (translated into higher PS) and reduced furloughs during lean times - it's about your desire to sit in the left seat.

You don't like my opinions about the direction the next contract should take? Fine. At least try to discuss the matter in a respectful manner. ... never mind, your screenname indicates you're an academy grad. It's a waste of my time to have any further discussion with you because you're a typical intolerant and ill mannered product of a service academy.

 

DENTK - Denver Center for Training and Knowledge

 

Andy, I know you don't mean any malice but to your first point.....that's the same rationale that you and I heard from some of the 1995 hire Captains telling us 2000 hires as we were getting furloughed in January 2003. I heard exactly what you wrote and it really got under my skin. They usually followed it with "don't worry, we'll make this a better place by the time you come back" or "we'll be a lean, mean fighting machine when you get back."

We came back after two rounds of concession under the bankruptcy contract flying for the LCO. Remember the LCO that took us down to 10 days off and 95 hours a month? That was lean. As lean as you can get. And we still got furloughed again.

Your point seems disingenuous to me. I think I know enough about you to think that isn't your intent. But that's how it comes across.

To your second point, Southwest hasn't needed to furlough simply because they are a better run company that historically maintains a good relationship with their employees and doesn't feel the need to blame those employees when things don't go well. They also don't have hundreds of RJ's doing a lot of their flying.

Our contract doesn't cause furloughs. A bad economy mixed with bad management does.

 

TK = Tragic Kingdom