In need of advice
05-24-2018, 10:38 AM
#141
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Originally Posted by FettyWap
He’s a Denver FO. Been there almost 20 years. He left SWA for United in 99. Says it cost him millions. But he got to go back on active duty and get his pension.
Now considering you’re in your early 40s and have all the experience and offers from more than one airline, I would also speculate you too are a similar rank to your UAL friend. Sir, people come to this business for a variety of reasons, but in the end we fly airplanes, civilian ones, filled with people and freight. This is what we get paid to do. Pretty simple.
If it’s just about the $$$ then maybe ask your investment banker friend how you can break into that business.
Good luck and may the great white powder pig (a reference from my skiing days) in the sky bless your future efforts.
05-24-2018, 10:43 AM
#142
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Originally Posted by FettyWap
The investment banker is a friend. I got the job offer in January. I cast a wide net and applied a lot of places. Got the class offer last week and I emailed them back to decline the offer.
I know it may sound crazy, but I did indeed decide that UAL wasn’t the best option for me. A lot of that was based on a friend from United’s advice. He’s a Denver FO. Been there almost 20 years. He left SWA for United in 99. Says it cost him millions. But he got to go back on active duty and get his pension. He said we will both be Denver FOs, but I will be making more than him in 3 years and probably upgrade before him. I showed him this thread yesterday. He said you guys must be new and naive.
You guys are taking this way too personally. I imagine you are getting bent out of shape because I’m hitting a nerve. But it’s all good. Maybe we can revisit this in 23 years and see who was right.
I know it may sound crazy, but I did indeed decide that UAL wasn’t the best option for me. A lot of that was based on a friend from United’s advice. He’s a Denver FO. Been there almost 20 years. He left SWA for United in 99. Says it cost him millions. But he got to go back on active duty and get his pension. He said we will both be Denver FOs, but I will be making more than him in 3 years and probably upgrade before him. I showed him this thread yesterday. He said you guys must be new and naive.
You guys are taking this way too personally. I imagine you are getting bent out of shape because I’m hitting a nerve. But it’s all good. Maybe we can revisit this in 23 years and see who was right.
05-24-2018, 10:59 AM
#143
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Originally Posted by FettyWap
I am alluding to the hubris. Errily familiar. The corporate well being is in the same order and so are the attitudes.
In 2000 United was my dream job. An investment banker I know told me they would be in Ch 11 at the next economic downturn. Told me SWA was a more sound corporation. But UAL just got their new big contract and I wanted to make the big money. UAL was bankrupt within 18 months, big pay raises were toast. Pension...gonzo...so were a lot of jobs and the hubris.
Same buddy who told me this says the chances of history repeating itself is “almost certain.” If it makes you feel any better, he also says AMR’s debt is unsustainable.
In 2000 United was my dream job. An investment banker I know told me they would be in Ch 11 at the next economic downturn. Told me SWA was a more sound corporation. But UAL just got their new big contract and I wanted to make the big money. UAL was bankrupt within 18 months, big pay raises were toast. Pension...gonzo...so were a lot of jobs and the hubris.
Same buddy who told me this says the chances of history repeating itself is “almost certain.” If it makes you feel any better, he also says AMR’s debt is unsustainable.
05-24-2018, 01:10 PM
#145
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Originally Posted by FettyWap
. A lot of that was based on a friend from United’s advice. He’s a Denver FO. Been there almost 20 years. He left SWA for United in 99. Says it cost him millions.
Using the opinion of someone hired right before 9/11 is stupid.
05-24-2018, 02:30 PM
#146
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Originally Posted by svergin
But you aren’t being hired in 1999.....
Using the opinion of someone hired right before 9/11 is stupid.
Using the opinion of someone hired right before 9/11 is stupid.
05-24-2018, 10:41 PM
#147
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Originally Posted by FettyWap
The investment banker is a friend. I got the job offer in January. I cast a wide net and applied a lot of places. Got the class offer last week and I emailed them back to decline the offer.
I know it may sound crazy, but I did indeed decide that UAL wasn’t the best option for me. A lot of that was based on a friend from United’s advice. He’s a Denver FO. Been there almost 20 years. He left SWA for United in 99. Says it cost him millions. But he got to go back on active duty and get his pension. He said we will both be Denver FOs, but I will be making more than him in 3 years and probably upgrade before him. I showed him this thread yesterday. He said you guys must be new and naive.
You guys are taking this way too personally. I imagine you are getting bent out of shape because I’m hitting a nerve. But it’s all good. Maybe we can revisit this in 23 years and see who was right.
I know it may sound crazy, but I did indeed decide that UAL wasn’t the best option for me. A lot of that was based on a friend from United’s advice. He’s a Denver FO. Been there almost 20 years. He left SWA for United in 99. Says it cost him millions. But he got to go back on active duty and get his pension. He said we will both be Denver FOs, but I will be making more than him in 3 years and probably upgrade before him. I showed him this thread yesterday. He said you guys must be new and naive.
You guys are taking this way too personally. I imagine you are getting bent out of shape because I’m hitting a nerve. But it’s all good. Maybe we can revisit this in 23 years and see who was right.
Originally Posted by oldmako
The airlines now have pricing power, load factors and profits that would have seemed impossible 20 years ago. UA/CAL, DAL/NWA, and AMR/USAir now control (and monopolize) a ton of seats.
Times change.
Times change.
05-25-2018, 08:56 AM
#148
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A lot of thin skinned folks here. Good luck guys. Hope it all works out for all of us. No hard feelings. UAL severely lags the industry in operating margin in a time when airlines are kicking butt. That was very concerning to me and I just didn’t think UAL would be a wise choice for me. It’s nothing personal.
05-25-2018, 11:25 AM
#150
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Originally Posted by FettyWap
A lot of thin skinned folks here. Good luck guys. Hope it all works out for all of us. No hard feelings. UAL severely lags the industry in operating margin in a time when airlines are kicking butt. That was very concerning to me and I just didn’t think UAL would be a wise choice for me. It’s nothing personal.
Enjoy your career and hopefully SWA and UAL will be around when it comes time to retire.
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