Three JS listed, two JS on Airbus
05-30-2018 | 02:25 PM
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The pilot that is too junior to get on the JS asking the senior pilot to bump another employee so he/she can get on the JS is weak IMHO. I may be in the minority. I never dreamed of doing that in my first 20 yrs when I commuted. But I haven’t commuted in a while. Maybe I’m just getting old but I don’t think I’m more important than the senior coworker who didn’t get a seat because the senior pilot hooked up the junior pilot by taking a seat from a coworker.
05-30-2018 | 02:28 PM
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And I do it all the time. I always tell the agent when they call me for a seat that I’m double listed and will take the JS if that helps another nonrev get on. Other times I’ve seen guys not do that. That’s a foul as well.
05-30-2018 | 02:38 PM
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I do as well. I'm just stating that it has become an expectation in my opinion. I have no problem "helping" as long as the flights aren't super long.
05-30-2018 | 02:45 PM
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I’d be willing to bet you are in the vast minority. The junior guy isn’t asking him to bump anybody. He’s asking a fellow pilot to help him get to work. And I’ve never asked...I just hope they have the sense to do it on their own. Somehow you think this comes down to junior pilots thinking they’re better than everybody else? Jeez. I guess I’m done here then. So how do you feel about senior guys with a PS seat who take the Jumpseat to help the gate agent out when there are guys listed for the JS? Cuz I’ve seen this as well.
05-30-2018 | 04:57 PM
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I have done that more than a dozen times during my tenure at MU. But the older I get - and the more my lower back acts up the less likely I am to agree with you. You, of course, are free to do as you wish.
05-30-2018 | 05:48 PM
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I’d be willing to bet you are in the vast minority. The junior guy isn’t asking him to bump anybody. He’s asking a fellow pilot to help him get to work. And I’ve never asked...I just hope they have the sense to do it on their own. Somehow you think this comes down to junior pilots thinking they’re better than everybody else? Jeez. I guess I’m done here then. So how do you feel about senior guys with a PS seat who take the Jumpseat to help the gate agent out when there are guys listed for the JS? Cuz I’ve seen this as well.
I’ll bow out as it seems today’s commuters are all about ME. God help the next generation.
I’m just glad I moved to driving distance. I’ll let my friends who aren’t pilots know, just drop the vacation pass and see if they senior CA is willing to do the same to get the 2015 hire in the JS.
05-30-2018 | 05:53 PM
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Am I the only one that thinks that our jumpseat rules are complete garbage? Every other airline does FCFS within a time window and we’re the only place where a senior guy can list 10 mins prior to push and bump you off. Which has happened to me more than once already. Glad we’re on the same team! 🙄
Let me know how that works out.
The current system allows pilots to list prior to the flight and be displayed in seniority order. What’s the mystery?
If you’re number 3 with 2 pilots senior checked in for the jumpseat, guess what!?
That said, I think most guys will list for and check in for a seat in back and just list for the jumpseat. If the jumpseat is the only option they’ll check in for the JS at the gate and go that route.
Yes, it sucks to commute and it sucks to be junior. If you have to commute AND be junior, the pain is exponential.
05-30-2018 | 06:08 PM
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If the senior jumpseater for example was an 87' hire date he/she might be way up the list for a seat in the cabin. Meanwhile the junior jumpseater is say a 15' hire date. Way down the list for a cabin seat. The normal etiquette is for the senior guy to stand by for a seat in the cabin to allow the junior jumpseater an opportunity to occupy the jumpseat.
Getting the most senior non rev on in your example would often not be the junior pilot but someone else.
Getting the most senior non rev on in your example would often not be the junior pilot but someone else.
05-30-2018 | 06:45 PM
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I get the way seniority works, and that everybody will have their turn at the mic.
I don’t expect, but I appreciate crew that looks out for other crew. Primary examples include: listing ahead of time, coordinating if its possible for the senior person to take a seat in back, and making sure nobody got left behind with open seats.
The ship has already sailed on a FCFS, that aint going to happen. I will stand my spot in the back of the line; however, I really appreaciate it when the senior people telegraph their intentions... This way I can adjust my plan.
05-30-2018 | 07:19 PM
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Fair enough, I am obviously in the minority. I commuted to ORD for 15 yrs from 95-2010 and never saw pilots displacing someone from their seat in the back to get a junior pilot in the cockpit who otherwise would have had to wait for their backup. I was taught by the old farts who walked the line that seniority was what mattered. JS is by seniority. Senior person got it. In the back seniority matter, the senior EMPLOYEE not pilot got on.
I’ll bow out as it seems today’s commuters are all about ME. God help the next generation.
I’m just glad I moved to driving distance. I’ll let my friends who aren’t pilots know, just drop the vacation pass and see if they senior CA is willing to do the same to get the 2015 hire in the JS.
I’ll bow out as it seems today’s commuters are all about ME. God help the next generation.
I’m just glad I moved to driving distance. I’ll let my friends who aren’t pilots know, just drop the vacation pass and see if they senior CA is willing to do the same to get the 2015 hire in the JS.
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