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04-09-2019, 04:05 PM
#71
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2019
Posts: 177
Originally Posted by Andy
No progress? News to me. Do you have an official source email or posting you can cite?
Pick up all you want at what % you would like, I just think I would rather start letting them know how we feel. But hey maybe that's just how I feel.
Since you seem to indicate there is progress do you have an official email or posting you can quote?
04-09-2019, 05:20 PM
#72
Banned
Joined APC: May 2017
Position: CA
Posts: 320
Originally Posted by oldmako
One could begin by looking at the amount of their last retro check from Mother U. I think he has a valid point, rabid outlier though he apparently is.
Will a TA in late 2019, or late 2020 be progress? Will your retro check make up for two more years of weak work rules, vaca pay screwing, Reserve rules, training pay, rescheduling loopholes etc. etc. etc?
Will a TA in late 2019, or late 2020 be progress? Will your retro check make up for two more years of weak work rules, vaca pay screwing, Reserve rules, training pay, rescheduling loopholes etc. etc. etc?
04-09-2019, 06:30 PM
#73
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2009
Position: The GF of FUPM
Posts: 3,073
I've been listening to your type of tripe for over 30 years. My point remains unchanged. Sadly, most pilots are so enamored with the fact that they have cool jobs that they willingly sell their services on the cheap. In my first decade, I was one of them. But my tenure and experiences have changed my tune. There is no chip on my shoulder, only lessons learned.
Adjusted for inflation, we are in arrears of our peers' earnings despite that fact that we no longer have a pension. That you and others feel that this is okay means nothing to me. Yes, it's a great job. That's precisely why I busted my a$$ to get it. But that doesn't mean that we should do it at a discount. Cool factor doesn't pay bills nor fund retirements. Tweaks won't cut it. Significant improvements will be a good start.
The current contract is loaded with bogus loopholes and concessionary gimmies. None of which were necessary and all of which were agreed to just to get a deal done in exchange for an acceptable hourly rate. We were negotiating in extremis. But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't try to plug the loopholes when the opportunities arrive. Oh wait, one already did. We gave Smisek a pile of money while he trashed the airline simply to stop the Blue vs Black whip-sawing. Now, SK is trying to poop-chute your contract with more RJ flying and guys are willing to play nice as they speculate on their PS check 6 months in advance.
Carry on Marvins. And when we get that full retro check, I'll eat mine.
Adjusted for inflation, we are in arrears of our peers' earnings despite that fact that we no longer have a pension. That you and others feel that this is okay means nothing to me. Yes, it's a great job. That's precisely why I busted my a$$ to get it. But that doesn't mean that we should do it at a discount. Cool factor doesn't pay bills nor fund retirements. Tweaks won't cut it. Significant improvements will be a good start.
The current contract is loaded with bogus loopholes and concessionary gimmies. None of which were necessary and all of which were agreed to just to get a deal done in exchange for an acceptable hourly rate. We were negotiating in extremis. But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't try to plug the loopholes when the opportunities arrive. Oh wait, one already did. We gave Smisek a pile of money while he trashed the airline simply to stop the Blue vs Black whip-sawing. Now, SK is trying to poop-chute your contract with more RJ flying and guys are willing to play nice as they speculate on their PS check 6 months in advance.
Carry on Marvins. And when we get that full retro check, I'll eat mine.
04-09-2019, 06:46 PM
#74
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2013
Posts: 2,159
Originally Posted by Zenofzin
Picking up a trip at $300 an hour is working for free?? Let it go dude
Scabs feel they saved the airline. So, they are pretty happy to keep saving the airline over and over and over and over.
let it go?
NAH....I won't do that. Not til the last scab is gone.
04-09-2019, 06:49 PM
#75
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2013
Posts: 2,159
Originally Posted by Itsajob
The scabs are generally a greedy bunch who are more likely to wait for premium pay and they’re senior enough to get it. The 737 base in iah is twice the size of a base like ORD and there will therefore be a larger number of trips going out with no premium pay. Everything that goes against someone’s personal agenda around here isn’t due to scabs or some type of scab culture. People are either adding to their check or trading into a better trip.
04-09-2019, 07:04 PM
#76
Banned
Joined APC: Mar 2018
Posts: 1,358
Originally Posted by baseball
Lots of scabs out there who won't run the APU for passenger and crew comfort. Lots of scabs wont use ACARS to check weather cuz it costs the company money. Plenty of scabs are so beholding they are always beholding.....It is what it is.
04-10-2019, 04:35 AM
#77
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Joined APC: Aug 2015
Position: Captain
Posts: 1,561
Originally Posted by oldmako
I've been listening to your type of tripe for over 30 years. My point remains unchanged. Sadly, most pilots are so enamored with the fact that they have cool jobs that they willingly sell their services on the cheap. In my first decade, I was one of them. But my tenure and experiences have changed my tune. There is no chip on my shoulder, only lessons learned.
Adjusted for inflation, we are in arrears of our peers' earnings despite that fact that we no longer have a pension. That you and others feel that this is okay means nothing to me. Yes, it's a great job. That's precisely why I busted my a$$ to get it. But that doesn't mean that we should do it at a discount. Cool factor doesn't pay bills nor fund retirements. Tweaks won't cut it. Significant improvements will be a good start.
The current contract is loaded with bogus loopholes and concessionary gimmies. None of which were necessary and all of which were agreed to just to get a deal done in exchange for an acceptable hourly rate. We were negotiating in extremis. But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't try to plug the loopholes when the opportunities arrive. Oh wait, one already did. We gave Smisek a pile of money while he trashed the airline simply to stop the Blue vs Black whip-sawing. Now, SK is trying to poop-chute your contract with more RJ flying and guys are willing to play nice as they speculate on their PS check 6 months in advance.
Carry on Marvins. And when we get that full retro check, I'll eat mine.
Adjusted for inflation, we are in arrears of our peers' earnings despite that fact that we no longer have a pension. That you and others feel that this is okay means nothing to me. Yes, it's a great job. That's precisely why I busted my a$$ to get it. But that doesn't mean that we should do it at a discount. Cool factor doesn't pay bills nor fund retirements. Tweaks won't cut it. Significant improvements will be a good start.
The current contract is loaded with bogus loopholes and concessionary gimmies. None of which were necessary and all of which were agreed to just to get a deal done in exchange for an acceptable hourly rate. We were negotiating in extremis. But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't try to plug the loopholes when the opportunities arrive. Oh wait, one already did. We gave Smisek a pile of money while he trashed the airline simply to stop the Blue vs Black whip-sawing. Now, SK is trying to poop-chute your contract with more RJ flying and guys are willing to play nice as they speculate on their PS check 6 months in advance.
Carry on Marvins. And when we get that full retro check, I'll eat mine.
Very well said Sir
Live and learn is something that people should accept
04-10-2019, 07:46 AM
#79
Need More Callouts
Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: Unbridled Enthusiasm
Posts: 2,143
Originally Posted by oldmako
The current contract is loaded with bogus loopholes and concessionary gimmies. None of which were necessary and all of which were agreed to just to get a deal done in exchange for an acceptable hourly rate. We were negotiating in extremis. But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't try to plug the loopholes when the opportunities arrive. Oh wait, one already did.
Sadly it passed due to the rightly or wrongly perceived whipsawing but it is what it is.
04-10-2019, 08:11 AM
#80
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2019
Posts: 177
Originally Posted by oldmako
I've been listening to your type of tripe for over 30 years. My point remains unchanged. Sadly, most pilots are so enamored with the fact that they have cool jobs that they willingly sell their services on the cheap. In my first decade, I was one of them. But my tenure and experiences have changed my tune. There is no chip on my shoulder, only lessons learned.
Adjusted for inflation, we are in arrears of our peers' earnings despite that fact that we no longer have a pension. That you and others feel that this is okay means nothing to me. Yes, it's a great job. That's precisely why I busted my a$$ to get it. But that doesn't mean that we should do it at a discount. Cool factor doesn't pay bills nor fund retirements. Tweaks won't cut it. Significant improvements will be a good start.
The current contract is loaded with bogus loopholes and concessionary gimmies. None of which were necessary and all of which were agreed to just to get a deal done in exchange for an acceptable hourly rate. We were negotiating in extremis. But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't try to plug the loopholes when the opportunities arrive. Oh wait, one already did. We gave Smisek a pile of money while he trashed the airline simply to stop the Blue vs Black whip-sawing. Now, SK is trying to poop-chute your contract with more RJ flying and guys are willing to play nice as they speculate on their PS check 6 months in advance.
Carry on Marvins. And when we get that full retro check, I'll eat mine.
Adjusted for inflation, we are in arrears of our peers' earnings despite that fact that we no longer have a pension. That you and others feel that this is okay means nothing to me. Yes, it's a great job. That's precisely why I busted my a$$ to get it. But that doesn't mean that we should do it at a discount. Cool factor doesn't pay bills nor fund retirements. Tweaks won't cut it. Significant improvements will be a good start.
The current contract is loaded with bogus loopholes and concessionary gimmies. None of which were necessary and all of which were agreed to just to get a deal done in exchange for an acceptable hourly rate. We were negotiating in extremis. But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't try to plug the loopholes when the opportunities arrive. Oh wait, one already did. We gave Smisek a pile of money while he trashed the airline simply to stop the Blue vs Black whip-sawing. Now, SK is trying to poop-chute your contract with more RJ flying and guys are willing to play nice as they speculate on their PS check 6 months in advance.
Carry on Marvins. And when we get that full retro check, I'll eat mine.
