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Old 07-02-2018 | 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Grumble
So you haven’t flown it....
Would you rather be stuck in a 6 hour traffic jam in IAH in the Summer in a ‘74 Super Beetle with a manual, or a 2009 Cadillac Escalade?
Being that the ‘74 Super Beetle NG has a pretty good air conditioning system (providing that guys actually fire up the APU and get rid of the useless ground air in IAH) and pays the same as the Escalade, I really don’t care either way. I’ll pick the one that provides the best schedule. Most people in this country work much harder than we do for less than we pay in taxes. I don’t think that life on the 737 qualifies as suffering. Flying either plane for what we make is a pretty good life. We’re the lucky ones.
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Old 07-02-2018 | 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Itsajob
Being that the ‘74 Super Beetle NG has a pretty good air conditioning system (providing that guys actually fire up the APU and get rid of the useless ground air in IAH)....
I don’t think you want to compare the APU/pack performance of the two fleets.

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Old 07-02-2018 | 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by cadetdrivr
I don’t think you want to compare the APU/pack performance of the two fleets.

I’m sure the bus is better to fly. Much quieter cockpit, more room, more automated....... Having said that, the 737 isn’t exactly suffering. It’s easy to fly. Most of the flying public has no idea what they’re in. If you ask them they’ll tell you “the one with 3 seats each side of the aisle “. The company went with the max over the neo. So what? I’m a f/o on 12 year pay. Based on 80 hours a month I earn about $178,000. Add the $28,000 for my B-fund, insurance, and an average 15 days off per month, I really don’t think the 73, 37, guppy.... is that bad.
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Old 07-02-2018 | 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by cadetdrivr
I don’t think you want to compare the APU/pack performance of the two fleets.

A lot depends on how proficient the pilot is with how to firmly grasp and push forward the APU switch to the START position. This seems to be the biggest challenge to APU usage.
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Old 07-02-2018 | 05:01 PM
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Flying 4 days in 80-95 degree heat in 800/900/700, not a single temp complaint other then “it’s too cold in coach”, and not a single passenger left behind, pretty nice ride if you know how to use it.
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Old 07-02-2018 | 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald
Cough, cough....uhhhh…..no it doesn't. It's very easily confused. I'd say worse than the 757.

Maybe it's me that gets confused. I'm confused though.



I dunno. I came from the 757 to the 777 and thought the 777 worked a lot better. I've seen countless people finger bang the vnav into uselessness instead of letting it do it's thing while keeping it engaged, though.


Nothing like watching a guy go through 4 different vertical modes while descending 2000'.
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Old 07-02-2018 | 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Itsajob
Being that the ‘74 Super Beetle NG has a pretty good air conditioning system (providing that guys actually fire up the APU and get rid of the useless ground air in IAH) and pays the same as the Escalade, I really don’t care either way. I’ll pick the one that provides the best schedule. Most people in this country work much harder than we do for less than we pay in taxes. I don’t think that life on the 737 qualifies as suffering. Flying either plane for what we make is a pretty good life. We’re the lucky ones.
Well, I used to unload trucks, stock grocery shelves, drive a fuel truck, etc. So what? Given that most people in the country don't possess an ATP, nor the experience necessary to even apply for this job I don't think this point has merit. I don't make what an anesthesiologist makes, a Wall Street type, or what a Pilot Ships Captain makes at any of the nations big ports. I don't compare my workload and compensation to them. Likewise, I don't feel a tinge of guilt for what I make compared to my neighbors. They could have jumped through the same hoops that we did. After all, it's simple, right? We're currently in negotiations, and I want a big raise. I'm still making up for the lost decade (and a half)


Originally Posted by Itsajob
sure the bus is better to fly. Much quieter cockpit, more room, more automated....... Having said that, the 737 isn’t exactly suffering. It’s easy to fly. Most of the flying public has no idea what they’re in. If you ask them they’ll tell you “the one with 3 seats each side of the aisle “. The company went with the max over the neo. So what? I’m a f/o on 12 year pay. Based on 80 hours a month I earn about $178,000. Add the $28,000 for my B-fund, insurance, and an average 15 days off per month, I really don’t think the 73, 37, guppy.... is that bad.

Posting your pay info on a public forum. Stay classy San Diego.

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Old 07-03-2018 | 09:56 AM
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This site post the pay and benefits of every airline. What we make isn’t exactly a secret, I just did the math.
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Old 07-03-2018 | 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Spicy McHaggis
I dunno. I came from the 757 to the 777 and thought the 777 worked a lot better. I've seen countless people finger bang the vnav into uselessness instead of letting it do it's thing while keeping it engaged, though.


Nothing like watching a guy go through 4 different vertical modes while descending 2000'.
Agreed. Just let it do it's thing is the best method, but most can't resist the temptation to meddle. That's when it gets interesting. And those are the guys that supposedly know how to work it!
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Old 07-03-2018 | 07:37 PM
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It is the poor or lack of training out of DTK that is the problem. Training by Bulletin or Newsletter just isn't cutting it.

The love affair with the FLCH button is a UAL thing and our FSAP stats puts us at the bottom of the industry. The other operators other than Asiana seem to have got VNAV figured out.

Let's not even have the discussion of the UAL embarrassments at LHR.

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