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baseball 04-10-2019 06:18 PM


Originally Posted by prex8390 (Post 2800536)
My regional sent twin sisters with 2000 TT about a month ago. I guess their dad who’s a pilot knows someone.

Almost everyone I know that’s been hired with “less than average” quals has been a young women

That's pretty typical. Expect young females and others checking the diversity box with lower credentials to get hired before a white male with double the flight time and experience.

baseball 04-10-2019 06:22 PM


Originally Posted by SmoothLanderJ (Post 2800494)
So, who exactly is getting hired with "far less" qualifications here? And, what group is facing discrimination when it comes to United Hiring pilots?

I have seen at least 2 pilots with less than what I would consider "competitive flight time and experience" be hired at UAL. Those two pilots were low on experience but high on diversity. Other groups not in the diversity column were discriminated upon. You can pick the genre or fill in the blank. No one cares any more. It's all talk...blah blah blah.

RJCaptin 04-10-2019 07:04 PM


Originally Posted by baseball (Post 2800652)
I have seen at least 2 pilots with less than what I would consider "competitive flight time and experience" be hired at UAL. Those two pilots were low on experience but high on diversity. Other groups not in the diversity column were discriminated upon. You can pick the genre or fill in the blank. No one cares any more. It's all talk...blah blah blah.

What are you going to expect from a company that was brought to its knees by a 5 foot man with a criminal history.

baseball 04-10-2019 07:58 PM


Originally Posted by RJCaptin (Post 2800691)
What are you going to expect from a company that was brought to its knees by a 5 foot man with a criminal history.

I keep hearing integrity is a big deal. I guess I would expect that. That's what the company expects from its pilots. two way street no?

Neosporin 04-10-2019 08:19 PM

I'll toss this question in this thread...
the new question on the app...

I said "yes" and added my flight attendant position...any comments?
It does say "any position with either Continental or United".

just checking with the crowd here.

RJCaptin 04-10-2019 10:00 PM


Originally Posted by baseball (Post 2800723)
I keep hearing integrity is a big deal. I guess I would expect that. That's what the company expects from its pilots. two way street no?

They invited the top 1% of their application stack, then turned their backs on some of them by hiring people less qualified. Meanwhile, their CEO steals sand and a little asian man causes them to loose 10% of their market cap in a single day.

Learflyer 04-10-2019 11:24 PM


Originally Posted by prex8390 (Post 2800536)
My regional sent twin sisters with 2000 TT about a month ago. I guess their dad who’s a pilot knows someone.

Almost everyone I know that’s been hired with “less than average” quals has been a young women

Oh dear god no. :confused: :rolleyes:

Brahma Fear 04-11-2019 05:04 AM


Originally Posted by RJCaptin (Post 2800761)
They invited the top 1% of their application stack, then turned their backs on some of them by hiring people less qualified. Meanwhile, their CEO steals sand and a little asian man causes them to loose 10% of their market cap in a single day.

If you love United so much why are you posting here. Go away.

SmoothLanderJ 04-11-2019 07:19 AM


Originally Posted by baseball (Post 2800652)
I have seen at least 2 pilots with less than what I would consider "competitive flight time and experience" be hired at UAL. Those two pilots were low on experience but high on diversity. Other groups not in the diversity column were discriminated upon. You can pick the genre or fill in the blank. No one cares any more. It's all talk...blah blah blah.

And, we've hired pilot's who aren't "diverse" who fit that description as well, PLENTY of them according to my friends on the hiring board. So do they get the same criticism from you or not?

TripleSpool 04-11-2019 10:07 AM


Originally Posted by SmoothLanderJ (Post 2800970)
And, we've hired pilot's who aren't "diverse" who fit that description as well, PLENTY of them according to my friends on the hiring board. So do they get the same criticism from you or not?

Diversity is neither the point nor the argument. I love diverse cities, companies, and consider myself to be diverse, as well. We are a diverse nation, after all –a nation of immigrants.

Here is the point in case some of you missed it:

Flight Time Requirements (but not for you)
• A minimum of 1,500 hours of total time
• A minimum of 1,000 hours of fixed wing turbine time
• A minimum of 100 hours of complex flight time within the last 12 months

These requirements by their very nature were designed to get those who really couldn’t get hired otherwise to slip through that little crack in the door that is open to the chosen few. Whether those are members of family or a special interest group that can be used in their new marketing maneuver is entirely up to United HR to make the call.

The bottom line is that their algorithm is discriminatory but not in the way of experience or education or anything else. It’s discriminatory because too often it overlooks perfectly eligible candidates in favor of less experienced ones by the stroke of a button; hence, a supposed algorithm is overrode once again by a fallible human-)

So next time you talk to a consulting firm or anyone purvey to The Game, and you share your experience, expect suggestions of: more Job Fairs, more leadership in your resume, more volunteer work, maybe a different company, more PIC Turbine, more flight time in the last year….etc. All the while, an individual with no PIC Turbine (0) and fewer than 3000 hours is sitting in initial after having attended zero job fairs.

No amount of validation, company pride or whatever else we can conjure up will justify these hiring practices to me. We all see how incredibly corrupt it really is and I only hope for the sake of future candidates that something changes.


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