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MasterOfPuppets 08-17-2018 11:11 AM


Originally Posted by IHateYou (Post 2657003)
23 and no jet time and no experience is just flat out dangerous.

We have hundreds of pilots at United that were hired below the age of 25........Get over it. All those '78 hires that are sitting at the top of our list right now, guess what? 23 or less with no experience :eek:. Alot of the 570, alot of the Scabs, Hell CAL hired a ton of young pilots in the 2000's. Im not seeing smoking holes anywhere.

fadec 08-17-2018 11:49 AM


Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 2657038)
We have hundreds of pilots at United that were hired below the age of 25........Get over it. All those '78 hires that are sitting at the top of our list right now, guess what? 23 or less with no experience :eek:. Alot of the 570, alot of the Scabs, Hell CAL hired a ton of young pilots in the 2000's. Im not seeing smoking holes anywhere.

Right. There has been a downward trend in crashes over the last 40 years. Hmmm....

Itsajob 08-17-2018 11:57 AM

The “it’s my turn, that’s not how I did it, or that’s not fair” mentality that some people have isn’t going to go far. Once you meet the minimum standards your name is thrown into the same hat. This guy may not have had a 20 year military career or have been a jet captain for the last 10,000 hours, but he did meet the minimum requirements. He’s going to be put in a class, he’s not going to be given any slack, and he will most likely do a good job and enjoy a great career. He didn’t endure years of paying dues like many of us did but life doesn’t always fit your definition of fair. I say good for him. If I had been given the chance when starting out I would have jumped at it and avoided some pain. It’s not like he crossed a picket line to get the job. As far as I’m concerned his integrity is intact.

Airway 08-17-2018 12:09 PM


Originally Posted by IHateYou (Post 2657003)
23 and no jet time and no experience is just flat out dangerous.

A jet's a jet. That was the average qualification for regional newhires 10-15 years ago. Less, even.

Paying dues is relative. I spent the better part of a decade at a regional flying props and jets and thought I'd paid my dues. But then I fly with guys who lived in tents during the Gulf War or graduated from Top Gun and feel like I didn't pay enough.

Who cares. The best criteria, and what I guess United hiring has concluded, is attitude and a willingness to learn and succeed.

Winston 08-17-2018 02:22 PM

I’m just glad that there’s one more guy on the list behind me.

Keep ‘em coming!

IHateYou 08-17-2018 02:47 PM


Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 2657038)
We have hundreds of pilots at United that were hired below the age of 25........Get over it. All those '78 hires that are sitting at the top of our list right now, guess what? 23 or less with no experience :eek:. Alot of the 570, alot of the Scabs, Hell CAL hired a ton of young pilots in the 2000's. Im not seeing smoking holes anywhere.

No smoking holes anywhere? At all? None? There have been NO crashes since 1978? None? Zero? Not one crash whatsoever anywhere with a US major airline or its regionals? Really? None???? Wow.

IHateYou 08-17-2018 02:54 PM


Originally Posted by Airway (Post 2657060)
A jet's a jet. That was the average qualification for regional newhires 10-15 years ago. Less, even.

Paying dues is relative. I spent the better part of a decade at a regional flying props and jets and thought I'd paid my dues. But then I fly with guys who lived in tents during the Gulf War or graduated from Top Gun and feel like I didn't pay enough.

Who cares. The best criteria, and what I guess United hiring has concluded, is attitude and a willingness to learn and succeed.

Many of you don’t the know different between a complaint and an opinion. In case you weren’t smart enough to Figure out which one my comment was, I’ll help you out: it’s just my opinion!! I couldn’t care less how this guy or any other pilot gets their airline job. No two paths are the same. I only care about my path only as that’s all I could control. So spare me the BS about what you think I thought about how he got here. I was simply expressing an opinion of zero jet time. Nothing more. Carry on.

cadetdrivr 08-18-2018 06:14 AM


Originally Posted by IHateYou (Post 2657150)
No smoking holes anywhere? At all? None? There have been NO crashes since 1978? None? Zero? Not one crash whatsoever anywhere with a US major airline or its regionals? Really? None???? Wow.

MasterOfPuppets is not wrong in reference to UAL.

It's correct: UAL has not experienced a pilot related hull loss since 1978.

IHateYou 08-18-2018 07:02 AM


Originally Posted by cadetdrivr (Post 2657384)
MasterOfPuppets is not wrong in reference to UAL.

It's correct: UAL has not experienced a pilot related hull loss since 1978.

Well, then bring on as many minimally qualified pilots as possible then! That fact shows right there that we should fire pilots after a certain amount of time because experience causes wrecks, not inexperience.

Grumble 08-18-2018 07:02 AM


Originally Posted by cadetdrivr (Post 2657384)
MasterOfPuppets is not wrong in reference to UAL.

It's correct: UAL has not experienced a pilot related hull loss since 1978.

Really? Because at least two guppies have been struck since 2013 for hard landings/tail strikes.


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