Percentage of flying done by regionals.
09-21-2018, 05:10 PM
#41
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Originally Posted by keepinitreal
YAAAAAAAAAWWWWWN!!! Of course miles are going to be heavily skewed towards mainline pilots. lol
Number of passengers per pilot per month is a different story. Sure, mainline carries more passengers per trip, but the RJ pilot does many more trips many more days per month.
Number of passengers per pilot per month is a different story. Sure, mainline carries more passengers per trip, but the RJ pilot does many more trips many more days per month.
For the love of God, take some pride in the validity of your posts. You have brought nothing meaningful to this conversation. Nothing researched, nothing thought out... It’s like reading a response from a petulant 15 year old. The capitalized ‘yawn’ the misplaced use of ‘lol’... no one here takes you seriously.
After having read your posts here, you probably deserve to be stuck in the minor leagues like you are. Now isn’t there a guard frequency somewhere you should be meowing on?
Also... stop trying to compare our jobs. In some ways they are the same, but in many ways there are very different. I fly hundreds of people, thousands of miles on a single flight. I cross the North Pole, hostile countries, monsoons, and vast oceans in the black of night; all while you sleep in your bed. I have to deal with geopolitical issues, language barriers, overflight permits, diversion airfields that might not have fuel, metric flight levels, the ITCZ, radio blackouts from solar storms, being 3 hours away from a nearest airfield when an engine fails... there is no valid comparison for you to make. A single flight on my aircraft represents over a million dollars in revenue and billions of dollars in liabilities. You and I are very different pilots I’d venture to guess.
09-21-2018, 05:24 PM
#42
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Originally Posted by Guppies4Dayz
I seriously doubt you’re doing 12 round trip TLV trips a month. �� Math in public, don’t do it. Your haul is more like 265 x 1 x 12 = 3250 pax per month.
But you’re right, this is a completely meaningless statistic in every sense. We might as well try to tally up how many crew meals we consume per month and try to say that has some kind of metric on who does more work for the company, or measure the number of steps the FO has to take on the walk around per month or some other nonsense like that. The metrics that matter are the ones Wall Street pays attention to.
But you’re right, this is a completely meaningless statistic in every sense. We might as well try to tally up how many crew meals we consume per month and try to say that has some kind of metric on who does more work for the company, or measure the number of steps the FO has to take on the walk around per month or some other nonsense like that. The metrics that matter are the ones Wall Street pays attention to.
09-21-2018, 05:25 PM
#43
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Posts: 46
Originally Posted by 49er
I hope you are more through and well spoken in the flight deck than you are here.
For the love of God, take some pride in the validity of your posts. You have brought nothing meaningful to this conversation. Nothing researched, nothing thought out... It’s like reading a response from a petulant 15 year old. The capitalized ‘yawn’ the misplaced use of ‘lol’... no one here takes you seriously.
After having read your posts here, you probably deserve to be stuck in the minor leagues like you are. Now isn’t there a guard frequency somewhere you should be meowing on?
Also... stop trying to compare our jobs. In some ways they are the same, but in many ways there are very different. I fly hundreds of people, thousands of miles on a single flight. I cross the North Pole, hostile countries, monsoons, and vast oceans in the black of night; all while you sleep in your bed. I have to deal with geopolitical issues, language barriers, overflight permits, diversion airfields that might not have fuel, metric flight levels, the ITCZ, radio blackouts from solar storms, being 3 hours away from a nearest airfield when an engine fails... there is no valid comparison for you to make. A single flight on my aircraft represents over a million dollars in revenue and billions of dollars in liabilities. You and I are very different pilots I’d venture to guess.
For the love of God, take some pride in the validity of your posts. You have brought nothing meaningful to this conversation. Nothing researched, nothing thought out... It’s like reading a response from a petulant 15 year old. The capitalized ‘yawn’ the misplaced use of ‘lol’... no one here takes you seriously.
After having read your posts here, you probably deserve to be stuck in the minor leagues like you are. Now isn’t there a guard frequency somewhere you should be meowing on?
Also... stop trying to compare our jobs. In some ways they are the same, but in many ways there are very different. I fly hundreds of people, thousands of miles on a single flight. I cross the North Pole, hostile countries, monsoons, and vast oceans in the black of night; all while you sleep in your bed. I have to deal with geopolitical issues, language barriers, overflight permits, diversion airfields that might not have fuel, metric flight levels, the ITCZ, radio blackouts from solar storms, being 3 hours away from a nearest airfield when an engine fails... there is no valid comparison for you to make. A single flight on my aircraft represents over a million dollars in revenue and billions of dollars in liabilities. You and I are very different pilots I’d venture to guess.
09-21-2018, 06:28 PM
#46
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Originally Posted by keepinitreal
That is very special. Brought a tear to my eye actually. That is a lot you have to think about on your two flights a month.
I think Narrow body pilots and RJ Captains should be paid more than what they get now.
09-21-2018, 06:40 PM
#47
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Originally Posted by keepinitreal
Of course sunvex over inflated his numbers to his favor. That is what happens when one tries to pull numbers out of one's !@#.!
Doesn’t seem overinflated at all. Where are your statistics to refute his overall argument?
09-21-2018, 07:09 PM
#48
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Position: 767A (Ret)
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Do some people actually believe that pay rates are a reflection of what a pilot, in cosmic justice, deserves?
Airlines pay what they must, to get who they need, to do what they require. That’s it.
Airlines pay what they must, to get who they need, to do what they require. That’s it.
09-21-2018, 09:21 PM
#49
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Originally Posted by Photoflier
The lost decade was caused by 9/11, a tanking economy, and age 65.
The scope relief that put CRJ1998’s Dad on the street was thanks to the 1113c process. He acts like it was some big money grab by the “greedy” United Pilots. This is the way the 1113c works. The company says “you’re going to bend over and take a monster paycut, relax scope, and destroy your retirement. And you’re going to LIKE it”. The pilots than have 2 choices: hold your nose and accept it, or let a judge decide. The same judge that had rubber stamped EVERY SINGLE request UAL had brought to the court. UAL’s finances were such that they had about 3 days of operating capital at one point. What they asked for, they got. Simply for survival thanks to the denial of the ATSB loan (twice). UAL couldn’t raise any capital at that point.
So was it a smart move by the pilots to accept the contract? I don’t know, but I’m pretty confident the scope we would have ended up with would have been what was on management’s emergency 1113c term sheet had we taken our chances with the judge: NO scope. CRJ1998’s Dad might not have liked it, and I don’t blame him. But we lived on to fight another day and he now has a pretty strong airline with a decent contract to come back to.
THAT’s the fact.
The scope relief that put CRJ1998’s Dad on the street was thanks to the 1113c process. He acts like it was some big money grab by the “greedy” United Pilots. This is the way the 1113c works. The company says “you’re going to bend over and take a monster paycut, relax scope, and destroy your retirement. And you’re going to LIKE it”. The pilots than have 2 choices: hold your nose and accept it, or let a judge decide. The same judge that had rubber stamped EVERY SINGLE request UAL had brought to the court. UAL’s finances were such that they had about 3 days of operating capital at one point. What they asked for, they got. Simply for survival thanks to the denial of the ATSB loan (twice). UAL couldn’t raise any capital at that point.
So was it a smart move by the pilots to accept the contract? I don’t know, but I’m pretty confident the scope we would have ended up with would have been what was on management’s emergency 1113c term sheet had we taken our chances with the judge: NO scope. CRJ1998’s Dad might not have liked it, and I don’t blame him. But we lived on to fight another day and he now has a pretty strong airline with a decent contract to come back to.
THAT’s the fact.
09-21-2018, 09:43 PM
#50
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Originally Posted by CRJ1988
There was no 1113c bankruptcy process in 1996-1997 when the barn door was first opened on scope. Yes it was a long time ago, but I saw the consequences when my dad and uncle being put on the street when the music stopped after 9/11. And yes I was in middle school, but I was old enough to understand the trouble that my family was in.
As for the 1113c process, that law absolutely pre-dates 1995. But more to the point is do you understand what it is, and how the company used the threat of a judge rejecting an entire mature CBA to extract more concessions on RJ flying in BK?
I'd argue RJ scope was adequate in 1998, but the real damage was done in 2003 in BK, and that decision didn't go out to the membership.
For kids to jump in this thread a try to rewrite history for those of us who lived it just makes you look stupid. It sucked for sure, but one thing I know for sure is I don't owe you squat.
Last edited by awax; 09-21-2018 at 09:54 PM.
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