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Old 11-03-2018, 01:33 PM
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1. Is the trip trade mafia still alive? I ask because it seems some pilots in particular are able to get and see the trips that pop up with great "efficiency." is there some sort of back-door into the trip trade system that we should all know about in order to make it more fair?

2. short term parking at terminal....If doing something for the convenience of the company in order to block out on time due to a last minute call from skeds, is short term parking authorized? Same goes for a reserve pilot? Same question for a SRM trip? I just wonder if different parking rules are in effect for different "status" of pilots and if that is even covered in the CBA. I had a scheduler decline my request to get short term parking for a SRM trip. But, said ALPA would be fine with it if I were on reserve.
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1. Is the trip trade mafia still alive? I ask because it seems some pilots in particular are able to get and see the trips that pop up with great "efficiency." is there some sort of back-door into the trip trade system that we should all know about in order to make it more fair?
Yes. I've seen trips that are not advertised for PP disappear for 5-15 minutes from open flying and then get assigned at 100% before anyone could reliably put in a pickup request. I've also seen trip numbers change to defeat my auto-pickup based on trip number (they added an A at the end even though it was the same trip) and another guy magically had that trip number and got it.

And don't bother to ask to audit the crew schedulers phone calls because I believe these are all happening off line (personal phones). Not sure if there is any compensation going back, but at least there is favoritism as far as I can see.
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Old 11-03-2018, 02:06 PM
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1. Is the trip trade mafia still alive? I ask because it seems some pilots in particular are able to get and see the trips that pop up with great "efficiency." is there some sort of back-door into the trip trade system that we should all know about in order to make it more fair?
Yes! Straight from the mouth of a mafia member on the 756 in ORD. ***

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Old 11-03-2018, 02:15 PM
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I’d be interested in any way to stop this anywhere in the system. Is the company or alpa in on it?
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Old 11-03-2018, 02:21 PM
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I would like to see if we can level the playing field.

Is this behavior legal?

I am not sure here. But we either need to get ALPA involved, the company involved, or we need to find a way to police this as a pilot group.


If he has access to special tools, or inside information within the company that the rest of don't have access to that should be addressed.
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I was denied a trip straight pick up with senior man pay. I noticed this particular pilot got it out of base and I was declined the trip. Scheduler didn't really explain the answer, only that the trip was covered. They built it out of Dulles for this particular pilot and he also got fake DH on both ends.
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PDR these trips, and see what the union comes back with...
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Old 11-03-2018, 02:47 PM
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Today there was a 100% PP trip that CS said had to be in open time for 10 minutes before they started down the SRM list. After 10 minutes, it disappeared and was awarded to the senior most pilot on today's SRM list.

So, for the pilots that are "always getting" PP, how senior are they in base, and is anyone watching the SRM list to compare?

The example I watched today appeared to be by the book.
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Old 11-03-2018, 02:59 PM
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Yes. I've seen trips that are not advertised for PP disappear for 5-15 minutes from open flying and then get assigned at 100% before anyone could reliably put in a pickup request. I've also seen trip numbers change to defeat my auto-pickup based on trip number (they added an A at the end even though it was the same trip) and another guy magically had that trip number and got it.
I don’t think you know how the trip trade system works. When a trip gets modified, let’s say modfied with 100% ppu it goes through a run again, someone could have a pickup set for 100% ppu trips and it gets assigned to that person without you ever seeing it again.

And don't bother to ask to audit the crew schedulers phone calls because I believe these are all happening off line (personal phones). Not sure if there is any compensation going back, but at least there is favoritism as far as I can see.
I highly doubt it. PDR it, ALPA will get you paid if it was done inappropriately. I would assume the scheduler would be fired if taking a call off a recorded line (read personal phone), pretty sure that is an faa requirement as well.

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I was denied a trip straight pick up with senior man pay. I noticed this particular pilot got it out of base and I was declined the trip. Scheduler didn't really explain the answer, only that the trip was covered. They built it out of Dulles for this particular pilot and he also got fake DH on both ends.
There is no such thing as being denied a senior man pay trip, they call you when you get senior manned. You mean 100% PPU? The fakes are added anytime someone picks up out of base.

There is a lot of misinformation here folks. And many people are frustrated simply because they are uniformed. While the trip trade mafia is probably alive, there is also people who just actually take the time to read and understand the contract and also keep up to date on how everything works.
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2. short term parking at terminal....If doing something for the convenience of the company in order to block out on time due to a last minute call from skeds, is short term parking authorized? Same goes for a reserve pilot? Same question for a SRM trip? I just wonder if different parking rules are in effect for different "status" of pilots and if that is even covered in the CBA. I had a scheduler decline my request to get short term parking for a SRM trip. But, said ALPA would be fine with it if I were on reserve.

Per UPA, reserves can expense short-term parking if <3 hour call-out



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