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12-06-2018, 08:11 AM
#75
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Originally Posted by SUX4U
Dave, aren’t we actually closing the gap on Delta in several different metrics of performance?
I think the actual quote is, UAL will step over a dollar to pick up a penny.
12-06-2018, 02:25 PM
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they may step over a dollar to pick up a penny.
what I want to know is if they will treat the pilots fairly, honor the profession, help us restore dignity to the industry, and do the right thing; or if they will intentionally go out of their way to destroy any goodwill Oscar might have benefited from since him taking over by insisting on scope give backs via his hired help.
I know we keep bashing Kirby for his scope-approach, but I wonder if the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree. Is this Oscar's scope-rope-a-dope?
what I want to know is if they will treat the pilots fairly, honor the profession, help us restore dignity to the industry, and do the right thing; or if they will intentionally go out of their way to destroy any goodwill Oscar might have benefited from since him taking over by insisting on scope give backs via his hired help.
I know we keep bashing Kirby for his scope-approach, but I wonder if the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree. Is this Oscar's scope-rope-a-dope?
12-06-2018, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy
Kirby's been around this business for a very long time. I very much doubt he's blind to the regional RJ's coming demise - if he is, then he needs to be kicked to the curb. My personal opinion (worth exactly zero) is that he's speaking of the need for more regional RJs publicly in order to distract us while he gets what he wants on other parts of the contract. Such as NSNB rates. And I'm sure there are other areas that he's targeting - I will admit that I don't know what they are, but I view scope as Kirby's version of a magician trying to redirect the crowd's attention to a shiny distraction.
Please, don't give an inch on scope, yet don't get distracted by it either. United needs good NSNB rates too! The E2-195 or A220-300 (CS-300) will be eventually replacing many of the A319s and and 737-700s. You're not just negotiating NSNB rates...
Keep in mind that even the E2-195 is 4 rows longer than the E195, and the E2-195 now has just as many seats as a 737-700!
(Yes, the E2-195 really has 120 seats in a three-class config...)
12-07-2018, 01:56 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyingSlowly
I have seen this divert-and-distract approach work for management at an AAG regional that was previously under Kirby's domain. I have no doubt it is part of the strategy.
Please, don't give an inch on scope, yet don't get distracted by it either. United needs good NSNB rates too! The E2-195 or A220-300 (CS-300) will be eventually replacing many of the A319s and and 737-700s. You're not just negotiating NSNB rates...
Keep in mind that even the E2-195 is 4 rows longer than the E195, and the E2-195 now has just as many seats as a 737-700!
(Yes, the E2-195 really has 120 seats in a three-class config...)
Please, don't give an inch on scope, yet don't get distracted by it either. United needs good NSNB rates too! The E2-195 or A220-300 (CS-300) will be eventually replacing many of the A319s and and 737-700s. You're not just negotiating NSNB rates...
Keep in mind that even the E2-195 is 4 rows longer than the E195, and the E2-195 now has just as many seats as a 737-700!
(Yes, the E2-195 really has 120 seats in a three-class config...)
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