All quiet on the Wacker front.
12-03-2018, 06:56 PM
#41
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Originally Posted by UALinIAH
I love when guys throw that misconception out. It’s an apples to oranges argument.
CAL furloughees were treated in accordance with their sCAL contract. While I have no problem adjusting EVERYONE’s travel to be their MAINLINE hire date, it’ll never happen because there are still tons of people who are making out getting their COEX DOH for travel. If we are going to reinvent the travel wheel for furloughees, then it has to apply to EVERYONE. Not a carve out for those few.
It was a carve out that LOA 25 created. Why do you support making a new carveout?
CAL furloughees were treated in accordance with their sCAL contract. While I have no problem adjusting EVERYONE’s travel to be their MAINLINE hire date, it’ll never happen because there are still tons of people who are making out getting their COEX DOH for travel. If we are going to reinvent the travel wheel for furloughees, then it has to apply to EVERYONE. Not a carve out for those few.
It was a carve out that LOA 25 created. Why do you support making a new carveout?
The wheel won't be a wheel. It'l be a rhombus. No way to do it.
Many, and I mean many COEX pilots while placed at COEX, were actually hired by CAL because they actually had the flight time to fly in the left seat. So, DOH for many, and I mean many COEX pilots is perfectly fair. Many, and I mean many CAL flight engineers didn't have an ATP. They went to mainline. If you had an ATP, CAL assigned you to COEX to fly as a Captain. No way to reinvent the wheel, the square, or the parallelogram.
Post 1994, I would agree with you. pre 1994 I would not.
12-03-2018, 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by IHateYou
Back to the original topic. We won’t see anything for years to come.
Kirby is the stumbling block. He needs to stop and pop his head up out of his gopher hole. And....Delta keeps pulling father ahead of us in lots of ways.
Even if they come to the realization this next year, the availability of airframes is dwindling. Time is on our side. Unless we want a SuperJet, or Comac--please not!
12-04-2018, 06:07 AM
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Only if this MEC and pilot group allow it. Oscar wanted a deal before the end of Jan. Hold his feet to the fire. They agreed to not leak information out. That will only go so far. We can sing around the camp fire all they want. Sooner or later this entire group hug is coming to an end.
Originally Posted by IHateYou
Back to the original topic. We won’t see anything for years to come.
12-04-2018, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 757Driver
As I said above, in the not to distant past ALL furlougees were lumped together behind ALL of the active Pilots as of the date of the merger. Had that happened here there'd be a boatload more UAL types at the very bottom of the list.
Guess that's something to be grateful for, right?
Guess that's something to be grateful for, right?
12-04-2018, 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald
I disagree. The company needs to solve the RJ issue. They already have all they need to do it now, but they, or Kirby, don't think so. It will take time for them to come to the realization. The more time they take, the farther we fall behind Delta. But I do think they will eventually realize it. Later than sooner. I think in the next year; however after our target of the amenable date.
Kirby is the stumbling block. He needs to stop and pop his head up out of his gopher hole. And....Delta keeps pulling father ahead of us in lots of ways.
Even if they come to the realization this next year, the availability of airframes is dwindling. Time is on our side. Unless we want a SuperJet, or Comac--please not!
Kirby is the stumbling block. He needs to stop and pop his head up out of his gopher hole. And....Delta keeps pulling father ahead of us in lots of ways.
Even if they come to the realization this next year, the availability of airframes is dwindling. Time is on our side. Unless we want a SuperJet, or Comac--please not!
12-04-2018, 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy
Kirby's been around this business for a very long time. I very much doubt he's blind to the regional RJ's coming demise - if he is, then he needs to be kicked to the curb. My personal opinion (worth exactly zero) is that he's speaking of the need for more regional RJs publicly in order to distract us while he gets what he wants on other parts of the contract. Such as NSNB rates. And I'm sure there are other areas that he's targeting - I will admit that I don't know what they are, but I view scope as Kirby's version of a magician trying to redirect the crowd's attention to a shiny distraction.
12-04-2018, 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald
. The company needs to solve the RJ issue.
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