baseball

Disagree.

Here's the deal. Recommending someone, or helping someone doesn't get a person in the door. So, to take it a step further, nothing should help, nor hinder. You make it on your own merits. No need for the gay pilots association, or any other association to provide any assistance, leverage, interview, or forum to assist an applicant. The only way to remove all sexism, or whateverism, is to remove all favoritism.

Want to be treated with respect? Earn it! That means earn your job, earn your place. Honestly the NGPA has outlived it's usefulness and is simply performing a newer version of discrimination. Some call it reverse discrimination. Whatever.....Thinly veiled or not, people have opinions. Mine is this....Earn it!

The instant I hear how some smarty-pants pilot capitalized on his affiliation with the NGPA to get the interview/Job, I simply pick up the paper and push the ignore button. Respect isn't given, it's earned, so earn the right to be here.

Rant over. sorry about that, but just tired of all the reverse discrimination.

tonsterboy5

I didn’t realize united had a question on their app that askes if you are gay. (Or black or a women, In the scored section) They ask if you are a member of professional groups. They don’t hire people from these groups based on anything but merit. Nothing is stoping you from joining one of these groups and getting those professional affiliation points. Also if you think these groups are segmented and biased it’s because you want to segment and separate yourself from these groups, nothing says you can’t join the NGPA as a straight man.

tonsterboy5

See above post, also, recommending someone does help, as does being a part of professional groups, or going to job fairs. You are basically saying eliminate professional groups because you can’t socialize with people that aren’t like you, screw job fairs because.. well they are organized by people I don’t wanna be seen with.

okawner

I think these orgs exist to promote aviation careers for segments of the population that historically are not inclined or encouraged to pursue them. I'm cool with that. I don't necessarily think (and I could very well be wrong) that they are twisting any airline's arm to hire their constituents. They don't have to - every airline would love to be more diverse. To that end, despite the fact that the new hire photos are full of 30 -50 y.o. white males (WM), the real question is what percent of new hires are WMs, GPs, BAPs, or Ws as compared to the percentage of qualified applicants from each subgroup? That's the crux.

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SmoothLanderJ

And how do you know they aren't qualified? What makes you assume they haven't met the United hiring standards?

John Carr

Who says you CANT still do that, you just don’t need “job fair” for it.

Meaning, sure, reach out to people that wouldn’t normally consider a career as a pilot for whatever reason. Get them pointed in the right direction and provide guidance and mentorship about the pathways. Give them scholarships, financial assistance, whatever to give them the chance they might not ordinarily have had. Once they get on track, why should there be any further assistance required? Why have a “job fair” for it? Get a job, build time, upgrade, become and LCA, whatever.

Let their progression and experience speak for itself on the application.

Sorry to break to anyone, but at OBAP, NGPA, WAI, and whatever else 99.99% of the pilots there are ALREADY COMM/ATP rated pilots looking for job. Its NOT a bunch of people that wouldn’t be looking at a pilot career showing up.

Even for a qualified mil guy, the time off and cost of getting a ticket to ORD, PSP, BNA, MCO, DFW, LAS, and wherever else NGPA/WAI/OBAP has a “job fair” can be pricey. As well as for a civilian 91/Corp, frac, or 135 pilot with no pass/Jumpseat privileges.

Learflyer

Stupid argument. There’s probably *always* going to be white males dominating this industry amongst others. The point is...Let’s say you have a group of 20 people with around the same qualifications. Let’s say five are women. The women are are going to get the *interview* first. Not necessarily offered a job. But they get the interviews first. The women at my outfit admit to it. A lot of these women had less quals than the men applying for the same positions.

These are just my observations. I can’t make this up. No desire to either.

PotatoChip

Can this thread be locked yet?

I honestly just want pertinent info related to NGPA this year.
How many recruiters? Will BK be there? Briefing? Any one on one? Folks previous experience at NGPA?

Does this always have to devolve so badly?? Seriously...

oldmako

Why is free speech so closely watched on this forum? Why are threads locked so quickly and who gets to decide? A forum is an exchange of ideas and opinions. Why close it?

If you don't like the comments, skip them. If you want to add and rebut them, please do so. If you have questions, ask them. Steer people back on track, whatever. I've seldom seen a forum so heavily moderated as this one.

PotatoChip

This isn't a matter of free speech, it's a matter of relevancy.
I can skip a post or two, fine, but page after page of whining and complaining and argument......