Originally Posted by John Carr

Nope, swing and a miss.......

Not even "razzled", just pointing out FACTS. Which seems to be something you have a hard time grasping.

Nice job trying to back pedal though.

You know what takes effort?

Having the drive/determination/perseverance to do all the work to get your ratings. Then getting your first job, then getting your next job, then progressing in your career despite setbacks like downgrades, furloughs, career stagnation, etc.

Thanks for playing.

Originally Posted by tonsterboy5

You know why United likes career fairs like this? Cause they have a stack of thousands of applicants who have the ratings, time, and career setbacks.(just like you mentioned) When they need to pick one out of a thousand applicant they go with the guy who took extra initiative to go to an event. Not the guy who is upset that his career is slow but refuses to do anything above or beyond the other guys to get noticed. I get it, you and many others think it’s dumb to have to put in effort to go to a job fair, volunteer, have union duties...etc etc etc, then after years of not going anywhere you need to find a scapegoat to blame.

Originally Posted by baseball

Disagree.

Here's the deal. Recommending someone, or helping someone doesn't get a person in the door. So, to take it a step further, nothing should help, nor hinder. You make it on your own merits. No need for the gay pilots association, or any other association to provide any assistance, leverage, interview, or forum to assist an applicant. The only way to remove all sexism, or whateverism, is to remove all favoritism.

Want to be treated with respect? Earn it! That means earn your job, earn your place. Honestly the NGPA has outlived it's usefulness and is simply performing a newer version of discrimination. Some call it reverse discrimination. Whatever.....Thinly veiled or not, people have opinions. Mine is this....Earn it!

The instant I hear how some smarty-pants pilot capitalized on his affiliation with the NGPA to get the interview/Job, I simply pick up the paper and push the ignore button. Respect isn't given, it's earned, so earn the right to be here.

Rant over. sorry about that, but just tired of all the reverse discrimination.

Originally Posted by John Carr

Like I mentioned, it’s NOT MY problem.

I was simply stating FACTS.

But I guess when you don’t like what you’re reading and/or can’t accept FACTS, just go after someone personally.....

Imagine if it worked like back in the day of the scantron and app. In theory, people would simply get called/emailed based on those QUALIFICATIONS.

Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon

What qualifications really matter after a few years of 121 PIC? Majors doesn’t care that you grease them on slightly better than someone else. I’ve flown with guys that have been flying longer than I’ve been alive that can’t fly half as well as a new upgrade; but at the end of the day they both got where they were going safely. Anyone with a clean record and PIC time shows that they can operate safely consistently and that they can get through training.

So how do you differentiate applicants? By their willingness to be a team player and engage in the types of activities and culture that united or delta or whoever wants to foster.

They don’t want the type of people that refuse to play “the game” because there are thousands of other competent pilots that happily play the game.

Originally Posted by John Carr

And yet they could simply do the open house/invite like they and UAL have done......



No need to give it a name, no need to “indentify” with (insert demographic here).



Simply keep progressing, keep the app updated, and get an invite.



Cost them basically NOTHING.

Originally Posted by John Carr

Like I mentioned, it’s NOT MY problem.

I was simply stating FACTS.

But I guess when you don’t like what you’re reading and/or can’t accept FACTS, just go after someone personally.....

Imagine if it worked like back in the day of the scantron and app. In theory, people would simply get called/emailed based on those QUALIFICATIONS.

Originally Posted by PotatoChip

This isn't a matter of free speech, it's a matter of relevancy.
I can skip a post or two, fine, but page after page of whining and complaining and argument......