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Old 01-18-2019, 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by baseball View Post
So....You presume I am a white middle class male?

I come from a poor rice farmer (plantation mind you) south Louisiana farmer. No one was poorer than me. No one. And guess what, I made it. Hard work is what my family was all about. Color and class matter not (and I mean that).

Funny thing (yeah....real funny). Mom grew up in a new orleans housing project and dad came from a LA. rice plantation.... HA! white middle class my arse.

I actually know what government cheese tastes like and what commodity peas are all about.

I would politely say....screw you!

Hey, if you are a black, lesbian female.....get this....you have a decided advantage of getting hired here. Too bad actually.
Classic post hoc ergo propter hoc red herring. I'm a (insert disadvantaged class) and I made it out, ergo no classes are disadvantaged and no classes have advantage.

If your story is true (taken with a grain of salt on an anonymous internet forum), you should certainly be proud of your accomplishments. But you should not disparage everyone behind you who didn't get the breaks you did. All successful people got breaks along the way, regardless of where they started from. And to act as though anyone who didn't get those breaks simply "didn't want it enough" or "didn't work hard enough" is the height of hubris.

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I feel compelled to help you a little bit.

Are you familiar with the term "box score?"

It's the official scorers report at a baseball game.

During a baseball game, the scorekeeper doesn't put an "asterick" next to the gay player, or the black player, etc for a hit, or an error. he just scores it.

in baseball, its all about the BOX SCORE.

I encourage you to read the Jackie Robinson story. or watch the movie.

Why?

Branch Ricky told Jackie Robinson no one will care what color you are once you do the job.

Doing the job is what matters.

In baseball, it's all about balls and strikes. You get what you earn and you earn what you get.


Baseball, America's past time reflects our nations values. It's all about making your own luck. In baselball, and in business, no one cares about your background, or your demographics. You either beat the competitor, or you get beat by the competitor. simple actually.....
Quite ironic that you would use a black man who was only given a chance because a white man decided for him in an attempt to prove that it's all about hard work. Without Branch standing up for Jackie it didn't matter how talented he was, there was a structure in place that didn't allow him to advance. If you think that those structures magically disappeared the moment Jackie set foot on the field I have some oceanfront property in Arizona you may be interested in.
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Old 01-18-2019, 06:45 PM
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Classic post hoc ergo propter hoc red herring. I'm a (insert disadvantaged class) and I made it out, ergo no classes are disadvantaged and no classes have advantage.

If your story is true (taken with a grain of salt on an anonymous internet forum), you should certainly be proud of your accomplishments. But you should not disparage everyone behind you who didn't get the breaks you did. All successful people got breaks along the way, regardless of where they started from. And to act as though anyone who didn't get those breaks simply "didn't want it enough" or "didn't work hard enough" is the height of hubris.

Someone had to be the first.

I would say that all industry, to include the airline industry has had many firsts...…….

what breaks did I get?

That's funny.

I guess I got a break when the USAF recruiter said welcome aboard and told me I was good enough to fix airplanes.


All of the glass ceilings are broken. They were broken a long time ago.

Any sort of leveling of the playing field is now simply reverse discrimination. Time to move on and hire the best of the best.

MLB doesn't hold try outs. They don't hold open house.

You want to go to college? show up with good ACT and SAT scores.

You want to go into the USAF as an officer? Show them your AFOQT score.

It's just numbers.

Make the grade. Simple actually.
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Originally Posted by FollowMe View Post

..... All successful people got breaks along the way, regardless of where they started from......
Oh, that's rich.

"Lucy! Have you seen my break? I seem to have missed it!"
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Old 01-18-2019, 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by FollowMe View Post
Without Branch standing up for Jackie it didn't matter how talented he was, there was a structure in place that didn't allow him to advance. If you think that those structures magically disappeared the moment Jackie set foot on the field I have some oceanfront property in Arizona you may be interested in.
This is a relatively young country when you compare it to the age of the entire planet.

Jackie and Branch made their deal in post WWII - 1947.

It's 2019.

Time to move on.

There was no structure in place preventing anyone's "move up" in MLB. Your numbers were either good enough, or they were not.

The structures, if you want to call them that, were in place to prevent admittance. It was assumed (and correctly so), you could stay in show if you produced and the numbers justified your presence.

Chris Sampson is no longer a MLB pitcher because he's white. You do get that right?

His career was short because he allowed too many hits and runs.

Box Score.
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Old 01-18-2019, 07:00 PM
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Maybe I am being a bit harsh, but I can live with that.

I don't like scabs. At a close second behind them is someone who has a special...."whatever category" and used that to get hired.


The company can promote whatever culture it wants to. I don't promote culture. Nor do I discourage it. I generally don't talk about race, politics, sexual orientation, or religion on my airplanes. It's a good rule of thumb. We want to be personable, without being too personal.

If it's a good rule for Airline Captains' then it should be a good rule for the Airline's HR and recruiting department. Taken a step further, the airline would be SMART not to attend, promote, or recruit at any such events that promote politics, race, religion, or sexual orientation.

I would be in full support of holding a "GENERIC" recruiting event that is void of any reference to any sort of gender, race, religion, or sexual whateverism.
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Old 01-18-2019, 07:15 PM
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Let's say we were hiring ticket agents....

Should we go to the National Lesbian Ticket agents association and recruit?

Lets' say we were hiring aircraft mechanics.....

Should we go to the national black aircraft mechanics association and recruit?

let's say we were hiring flight attendants....

Should we go to the National transgender flight attendants association and recruit?


What the heck is up with all these stupid and craptastic associations and clubs?

Heck it reminds me of the Polish/Jewish Farmers of America club.

Remember the guy who started the international table tennis association in WWII? He didn't have a club, so he started one. it was actually a covert cover he used as a spy ring, but hey, he got a club and got to be the President.

Point is: Clubs and associations are stupid. I do like AAA. They always show up with jumper cables and a tow truck. membership has its privileges. But, we're all limited to 150 miles of towing, regardless of how disadvantaged our ancestors once were. etc, so forth and so on.
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Old 01-18-2019, 07:52 PM
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Baseball. Switch to decaf.

More data points allow UAL to choose better.

One of those data points is attendance at a job fair. The scoring doesn’t say what job fair. It’s just a point in the matrix.

Nothing to do with gay or blacks or even females.

I’m sure there are non gay non female non minority job fairs.

Anyway, feel free to tell B we shouldn’t recruit at WAI.

Also, please. Switch to decaf.
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Old 01-18-2019, 08:38 PM
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Do you guys ever get tired of repeating the same posts over and over again to each other? I mean i'd rather watch some videos about exotic cars on YouTube over trying to Change minds on the internet.
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I think it's great there are mentoring groups that help people get involved in aviation. I've needed lots of advice and counsel in my career and I'll continue to rely on people til the day I retire. The more the merrier...

With that said, are job fairs a good idea? It's easy for a single RJ pilot to jumpseat to one, not so easy for a corporate pilot with a family at home.

Our job is a safety sensitive one. Diversity in the cockpit is a noble initiative, however remember all the customer diversity too in the cabin that may be put at risk if the airline didn't chose the safest pilots to put up front.

Everyone we come in contact with has rights. To hire based on anything else but safety and efficiency is a disservice.
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Old 01-19-2019, 05:08 AM
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Job fairs are always a good idea. You make contacts, you practice your professional interaction, you learn some things about yourself. Sometimes, they directly result in an interview. It did for me.

Airlines don’t choose the "safest" pilots, never have. Just ask hundreds (thousands?) who have failed the Hogan test. They’ve hired their own child, child of a friend, friend of a friend, someone who has the Steve Canyon look (passengers like that), no one over 30 years old, someone who doesn’t wear glasses (until sued under ADA), scabs (to keep the money flowing at all costs, regardless of safety). And, yes, minorities and women. Hopefully though, they always hire "safe" pilots, pilots that are trainable, and pilots whose personalities create the best environment possible for a safe crew operation.
Good points, unfortunately.
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