FollowMe

I’m quite comfortable with what I said, I am a white middle class male and I have no issue recognizing that my socioeconomic status and background give me a decided structural advantage in our current market.

We are quick to forget what it was like for our own ancestors in America being structurally disadvantaged. A person should be weighed on their merits, nothing more and nothing less. And barriers to entry should be called out accordingly. There was a time that even white males were judged not on their merit, but by how much money they had and from whom they were born.

“Let me tell you something. I came here to win a trophy. And on the face of it Ted Ray or I should carry it off. Not for you, not for England, but for sheer bloody pride at being the best, *that's* why we do this. And if Mr. Ouimet wins tomorrow, it's because he's the best, because of who he is. Not who his father was, not how much money he's got, because of who he bloody is! And I'll thank you to remember that. And I'll thank you to show the respect a gentleman gives as a matter of course.”

Bestglide

Huh? You lost me.....

FollowMe

I’m quite certain that’s familiar territory for you...

DarkSideMoon

I have very little interest in what’s fair or how things should be or what pilots think is a good metric to make them more valuable or skilled than other pilots. I really only care about what those in charge of hiring value, and for most purposes that seems be a competent pilot first (no or minimal checkride failures, no incidents, some token amount of PIC time that shows you’re not a total idiot) and then fill in their extracurriculars of choice. If the majors say they value wearing a blue top hat while unicycling I’d sign up for lessons tomorrow.

Many seem to value training department time, and I’ve watched many excellent pilots at my company who were passed over for years get snatched up as soon as they become instructors. Were they a better pilot all of a sudden because they were teaching new hires what buttons to push for a month? Not really. They checked off another box and that triggered an interview for them.

Not really up to me or any non-management pilot to decide what employers should look for. Maybe it’s a generational thing but I’m more of a pragmatist than an idealist and I think it’s a waste of energy to focus on how things should be unless you’re in or trying to get into a position to change them. If it really bugs people, start politicking through management and make changes.

Bestglide

Isn’t a shame u have to resort to insults, you sound like a guy well known on the other forum.

baseball

Nope I am not saying that.

You can have all the "professional groups" or associations, or clubs or whatever you want. Just as long as it doesn't provide influence over the applicant, or on the applicant's behalf.

Another words. make it on your own, and on your own merits.

It's the epitome of fairness.

baseball

So....You presume I am a white middle class male?

I come from a poor rice farmer (plantation mind you) south Louisiana farmer. No one was poorer than me. No one. And guess what, I made it. Hard work is what my family was all about. Color and class matter not (and I mean that).

Funny thing (yeah....real funny). Mom grew up in a new orleans housing project and dad came from a LA. rice plantation.... HA! white middle class my arse.

I actually know what government cheese tastes like and what commodity peas are all about.

I would politely say....screw you!

Hey, if you are a black, lesbian female.....get this....you have a decided advantage of getting hired here. Too bad actually.

baseball

I feel compelled to help you a little bit.

Are you familiar with the term "box score?"

It's the official scorers report at a baseball game.

During a baseball game, the scorekeeper doesn't put an "asterick" next to the gay player, or the black player, etc for a hit, or an error. he just scores it.

in baseball, its all about the BOX SCORE.

I encourage you to read the Jackie Robinson story. or watch the movie.

Why?

Branch Ricky told Jackie Robinson no one will care what color you are once you do the job.

Doing the job is what matters.

In baseball, it's all about balls and strikes. You get what you earn and you earn what you get.


Baseball, America's past time reflects our nations values. It's all about making your own luck. In baselball, and in business, no one cares about your background, or your demographics. You either beat the competitor, or you get beat by the competitor. simple actually.....

ReadyRsv

Box score is a great example. United shows up at multiple recruiting events. Attend any of these events and you get a hit or K or HR. Some of these events are held by minority groups raising funds for their nonprofits. The points don’t say this person is gay. Don’t like the fact that United is recruiting at the event? Don’t go. Nobody is getting hired because they are gay. They are getting hired for attending a United recruiting event.

If you don’t like it tell Bebe.

baseball

UAL doesn't need "recruiting events." We're in a pilot shortage. The applicants will come to UAL. No need to go fishing, when the fish will come to us.

So, begs the question....why show up to any recruiting events

The obvious answer is "optics." It looks good to look cool. It looks good to be at these events for PR purposes. No other answer would be honest.

Is there a generic recruiting event, or do you have to fit into a categtory?

Not a fan of Bebe. She says whatever is politically convenient for her bosses. She's not a trend setter, she's a trend follower.


The major league baseball teams don't attend recruiting events. They don't even hold tryouts.

Want to make the team? Make the grade!

It doesn't matter who is hosting the event and for what cause they are raising money. you heard that right?

Just make the grade, earn your spot, make the team.

simple.

BOX SCORE BABY!

Get this.....We're in a pilot shortage.

If we're in those waters, then hire the best of the best because pickings are slim.

The Box score doesn't lie. It's color blind.

Pee Wee Reese said: "Maybe tomorrow, we'll all wear 42, so nobody could tell us apart."

I think we're there. time to end all the goofy associations aimed at getting folks a leg up.

Jackie Robinson fought the color war in 1947. I think we're there. It's 2019. Time to move on. His Box Score numbers stood up. Why? Because he played the game the right way, and he got the job done. You want recognition? Get R done, and don't ask for, nor accept special consideration.

You Jewish? So what.

You a Methodist? So what.

You a zebra? So what.

Don't need an association, or a club to advance yourself, or your agenda. MLB doesn't have a special category for base hit leader amongst southern Baptist democrats, but they do have one overall.

if Bebe is pushing for this sort of divisive stuff, she's about 20 years behind the times. The real world has moved on.

She's hard headed and doesn't listen..... Go figure.