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02-19-2019, 11:22 AM
#171
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Originally Posted by airspeedsalive
Actually, I believe the low rates at the regionals actually subsidize the mainline rates. That’s what I think anyway.
02-19-2019, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by pangolin
I'm a regional pilot and I pay into those dues. ALPA is supposed to represent ALL of our interests as Pilots - not just yours. HOWEVER - beyond that what you said above MAKES NO SENSE! Your dues don't subsidize a regional. Your company pays that - not you, and not your dues.
02-19-2019, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by baseball
According to ALPA attorneys at MEC meetings, they do admit it's a conflict of interest.
02-19-2019, 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by baseball
We subsidize regional MEC''s negotiating committees as well as other union functions. According to ALPA attorneys at MEC meetings, they do admit it's a conflict of interest. It's on the record. We can see the whipsaw effect. It should be easy to see. Ask Jim Johnson he can brief you on it.
Although Jeffrey did make a big stink about it in his final days.
“Sourcing costs” (regional feed cost increase) was an excuse for something/poor quarterly performance he was trying to weasel his way out of on an investor call or board meeting or something.
02-20-2019, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Flytolive
Complete and utter BS. The majors and all airlines' pilot groups negotiate their own scope and better regional contracts reduce network carriers' incentive to outsource.
Both airlines represented by the same union....
One member pays about 5-6K a year in dues, and the other not so much.
Talking about DUES dollars
Thus far, we haven't dis-incentivized the penchant to outsource. We still see the whip saw and we still see management pursuing it.
02-20-2019, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Flytolive
Complete and utter BS. The majors and all airlines' pilot groups negotiate their own scope and better regional contracts reduce network carriers' incentive to outsource.
02-20-2019, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by baseball
ALPA National sends a portion of our dues money to regional carriers affiliate unions.
Do we want to do this? No
Would it be a worse idea to not do this? Yes
02-20-2019, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by baseball
The major airlines MEC's send money to ALPA National. ALPA National sends a portion of our dues money to regional carriers affiliate unions.
02-20-2019, 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by cadetdrivr
Last time I spoke with my rep about this (radical thought, I know), it was described as "protecting the flank."
Do we want to do this? No
Would it be a worse idea to not do this? Yes
Do we want to do this? No
Would it be a worse idea to not do this? Yes
I haven't been very impressed with our ability to protect our flank. I think the out-sourcing issue should have been fully resolved 3 to 4 years ago. We don't have tactical or strategic control of the regional MEC's and their goal setting. They do polling etc as well. They set their own contract goals. I've been talking to a few regional FO's on the jump seat. Some of these folks would love bigger RJ's. So, gotta be really careful.
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