Sunvox

Just curious, without naming names, is anyone still online today that was aware of what happened in 2008 when 4 United pilots were sued by the company for calling for an illegal sick out. Were they actually fired and did they ever get their job back? I was just wondering what the facts are as all I ever heard was rumor and a few brief news items about the law suit, but nothing definite.

https://www.denverpost.com/2008/08/1...r-performance/

oldmako

Don't you think, just for a moment that this is an idiotic subject to bring upon THIS forum? You don't remember the injunction? You want to ask, call your reps or bring it up on a more union-friendly forum.

Tilton's gone. But don't think for a moment that they didn't learn a thing or two during his tenure.

Sunvox

The reason I bring it up is in hopes of sparking curiosity as well as reminding myself about what happened as I honestly lost track, and totally forgot about the injunction. I think the new generation of pilots is woefully unaware of union history of any sort. Hopefully hearing about some of the more "challenging" recent events, folks today will pay a little more attention. Discussing and learning about union history both the wins and the losses is never a bad thing in my book.

Also I learned on the other forum that all 4 pilots did in fact get their job back. I take that as a big positive for the strength of our union so long as we can learn to be less divided on the simplest of issues.

oldmako

Sunvox,

As before, every word printed here could be presented to the judge one day. And many here don't fly for UA, or perhaps even fly at all, so I fail to see what good airing our historical laundry does here. While I appreciate and applaud your interest in how we got here, your last thread already devolved into a few comments that might raise the eyebrows of the company's managers and legal team. And this topic contains potentially a powder keg of unintended consequences.

Don't forget about the ma$$ive spanking that American pilots took when AA Management decided to scrutinize pilots' sick use.

While they're all smiles today, I suspect that we're in the early stages of this negotiation.

Fly the contract.

Floyd

There are much better ways to mentor pilots than an anonymous, public forum. You should know that by now but, once again you're just kicking up dirt. Trust me, you aren't doing us any favors. Don't you have better things to Peck around home?

Sunvox

That's one of my biggest complaints about this forum. The forum should not be anonymous.

I'm Joe Peck, a EWR 320 captain. I have posted my information many times before, and I completely disagree with your analysis as well as that of Mako, who also chooses to remain anonymous.

If what you have to say is true, honest, legal, and not intending to do harm then you have no reason to fear and anonymity is unnecessary.

I want to increase unionism which is on the decline. I believe a discussion of recent battles furthers that agenda. If you disagree then I respect that opinion, but you haven't said anything to change my opinion.

Today's pilots are not well enough educated on the history of how unionism works, or more important the enormous positive impact of unionism, and this forum and other social media can be used in a careful way to get more pilots engaged.

EDIT: And, you are immensely incorrect in saying there are better ways to mentor new pilots as this forum reaches a vastly greater number of people than I can possibly achieve as an individual. Simply look at the views achieved in one hour of this post. Plus you have posts from some of ALPAs more notorious members on this forum who have tried to use THIS forum to launch their agenda. The only difference there being the fact that I am transparent in my agenda: I want to increase unionism which means improved unification of the pilot group. I am open to other ideas on how to do such.

ReadyRsv

If you are a EWR CA then call
Your Council 11 Rep’s and read them this thread. They should have all the history, educational process and advice you will need. Posting your name on a thread during section 6 that talks about illegal job actions is one of the dumbest things I’ve seen on this site, and I like to read.... a lot! Best.

cadetdrivr

And just to clarify, the company alleged that there was the potential for an illegal job action based on certain forum posts. The resulting injunction simply required both sides to strictly adhere to the RLA and the contract, which was ironic considering that the complaint revolved around pilots being told to "fly the contract."

There was not a court ruling against the union, or individual pilots, for damages which was a far cry from a different outcome at AA years earlier.


Pilots in Sickout Told to Pay Airline $46 Million

Floyd

Unbelievable! My mentoring came from Captains who cared about the profession. They either engaged in constructive conversation or more importantly led by example. TheIr concern was with those who followed them. We didn't need some anonymous public forum to learn. It was the best time of my career and I'm forever indebted.

Your disagreement with Mako doesn't surprise me. He's a pilots pilot and an all around outstanding person.

So go ahead with your edumacational campaign Sunvox. It's trivial but I'm sure mahogany row agrees with you.

Bpcrate

Find a hobby.


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