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Old 02-11-2019, 10:20 AM
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As evidenced here, there are a lot of opinions on the issue ( and other like it).

I'd bet that if most Captains just treated their FO with the same courtesy they intend to aim at the pax, there'd be no issues.

15-hour layover, who cares. Have at it. I might join you, or take my time in the cockpit or at the top of the bridge. There's little room for the FA's, the Capt and the FO even on some of the bigger planes.

Unfortunately , there are Captains that make no exceptions to their "buh-bye" policy. 3-leg day into FL with 10 wheelchairs (maybe exaggerating, but just a little) and more than half the plane filled with seemingly 6-kid families, first-time fliers, and retirees. We already arrived late on a scheduled ~10.5 hour layover with dedicated trans and not a hotel van. The Capt held true to their "we don't leave until the last passenger is off" policy. Without rambling more, by the time the last third of the plane got to leave, they really wanted off and didn't care about our buh bye.

Sure, you can stay after work, but you've set the tone for how much you care for your FO's and his or her rest if you've dictated it and don't coordinate as a crew. Your FO may adjust his support for you accordingly. If an incident occurs the next day that involves scrutiny/FSAP/IOR, how are your actions going to reflect on those, even if the FO has your back?

How is the taxi not reimbursable? It's not the captains contract. If they unilaterally decide to stay at the airport and hold the van for greeting, because they want to go to the gift store, get their favorite Cuban sandwich at Frontera with 20 people in line, etc., you don't have to wait beyond contractual limits. You can, but you don't have to.
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Old 02-11-2019, 10:21 AM
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I make it a point when leaving to say "Thanks for the safe flight." A good bit of the time the cockpit is empty. Sigh...... Oh well, A-I will solve that.
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Old 02-11-2019, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Setopbug View Post
I posted my reasoning earlier. You and I completely disagree on this one. And not to digress into a fallacy, but almost all of the folks who've posted on this thread agree with the viewpoint I shared.

That should tell you something.
Never answered my question Mr.Bug. Why not compromise and only do it when it doesn’t effect the other Pilot?

Would love to hear an actual response to that.
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Old 02-11-2019, 10:35 AM
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The good-day and So-long game is awesome .

The old captains accept anything .... lol
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Old 02-11-2019, 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by IAHB756 View Post
“Good chance” means better than 50% chance. Maybe you don’t fit into that category and it certainly isn’t personal. I’d just rather have someone who wants to be there standing at the cockpit door saying goodbye vs someone who doesn’t as it will be obvious that the sincerity isn’t real. I also said I’d never block another pilot from leaving after the parking checklist is complete. Heck I’ve been that guy many times.
Oh, thanks for “the big ole Texas A for effort” comment. Broad generalizations and all....
You're more than welcome. The even better than 50% is off base. What's worse is when we use that as a platform to promote other beliefs. You really don't understand a person until you sit down and learn what's inside. You know, the whole judging a person by the..... thingy.

I think I have a pretty good idea, but since when have we become the uniform police? Taking care of myself is a full time job. Worrying about others is not on my radar. I'll leave that to the management wannabes.

The comment of those who are standing there, want to be there is accurate. That could either be the United poster child pilot or "The Dude."



Both have their attributes.
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Old 02-11-2019, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Floyd View Post
You're more than welcome. The even better than 50% is off base. What's worse is when we use that as a platform to promote other beliefs. You really don't understand a person until you sit down and learn what's inside. You know, the whole judging a person by the..... thingy.

I think I have a pretty good idea, but since when have we become the uniform police? Taking care of myself is a full time job. Worrying about others is not on my radar. I'll leave that to the management wannabes.

The comment of those who are standing there, want to be there is accurate. That could either be the United poster child pilot or "The Dude."



Both have their attributes.
True. Some of our biggest tools like to grab as much face time with the customers as possible...
Again, this thread got me thinking more about the deplaning process. When appropriate, I’m going to attempt to stand there more often. If the FO beats me to it, great. If the FO wants to hit the road, fine. If it is late and the layover is short, it probably isn’t going to happen. If being appalled at the appearance of some of our pilots lately makes me a “management wannabe”, so be it.
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Old 02-11-2019, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Floyd View Post
I could make a laundry list of things that "fuel" the perception of customer satisfaction. I won't do it on this forum but suffice to say, Marvin standing at the cockpit door while the last 50-70% of the pax deplane is way down on the list. In fact, it would probably barely scratch a list of 30.
Customer surveys would disagree with you but what does the customer know!
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Old 02-11-2019, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by IAHB756 View Post
True. Some of our biggest tools like to grab as much face time with the customers as possible...
Again, this thread got me thinking more about the deplaning process. When appropriate, I’m going to attempt to stand there more often. If the FO beats me to it, great. If the FO wants to hit the road, fine. If it is late and the layover is short, it probably isn’t going to happen. If being appalled at the appearance of some of our pilots lately makes me a “management wannabe”, so be it.

Good for you and have at it. There's a difference between being appalled and using that notion for a generalization.

Best of luck with the cleaners stealing your passenger face time as they stand three inches in front of you.
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Old 02-11-2019, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by HuskerAv8tor View Post
Anyone take issue with captains who insist on staying until all passengers exit on the last flight of the day? Even on an 11 hour overnight?
This type of attitude here is why pilots in the USA will always be treated no different than a bus driver.

Have some respect for your profession.

Oh wait, this is a United forum.....
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Old 02-11-2019, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Photoflier View Post
What grounds are you going to use to get reimbursed? Assuming the transportation was there and waiting in a timely manner.
You’re right. If the other pilot (CA or FO) is so anxious to go then they can take van and the “bye”r can take a taxi. I suppose the justification would be “fulfilling core4 #2 caring,” or even “#1 safety, making sure all passengers have safely disembarked.”
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