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Old 07-24-2019, 11:46 AM
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By David Gelles
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Boeing said on Wednesday it could shut down production of the 737 Max if the grounding of its most popular plane persists much longer.
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Boeing said on Wednesday it could shut down production of the 737 Max if the grounding of its most popular plane persists much longer.
Maybe they could lease out a multilevel parking garage at SEA and tow them over. Free up more space in their employee parking lot.
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Not sure if it’s a threat or a capitulation. Or maybe just a heads up to investors that this is coming.
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Old 07-24-2019, 08:04 PM
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There is a lot of bashing of the MAX. But the truth is, the plane is efficient and nice to fly on as well (it is much quieter than the older model). Once the MCAS situation gets worked out, it will be back in the air making money for decades. It will also be one of the safest planes flying.
Unless a bunch of other airplanes lawn dart themselves it won’t be the safest airplane flying, and people under estimate the memory of the collective public. Dr Dao lasted what, a week? That chit still gets brought up. We’re talking about a stalwart narrow body American product being of grounded because of cost and corner cutting by McBoeing Douglass mgmt. They won’t forget.
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Unless a bunch of other airplanes lawn dart themselves it won’t be the safest airplane flying, and people under estimate the memory of the collective public. Dr Dao lasted what, a week? That chit still gets brought up. We’re talking about a stalwart narrow body American product being of grounded because of cost and corner cutting by McBoeing Douglass mgmt. They won’t forget.
I was an early defender of the max, but Boeing really messed this thing up. People haven’t forgotten the Dr. Dao incident, but they still buy tickets. The max deal will most likely prove my theory that the consumer may not forget, but for the right price they will overlook even this. The max will be back, the company may have to run some cheap seats for a while, but the planes will be full and the max will be on our ramp for a long time.
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I was an early defender of the max, but Boeing really messed this thing up. People haven’t forgotten the Dr. Dao incident, but they still buy tickets. The max deal will most likely prove my theory that the consumer may not forget, but for the right price they will overlook even this. The max will be back, the company may have to run some cheap seats for a while, but the planes will be full and the max will be on our ramp for a long time.
Or Boeing (like Ryan air apparently) follows Trump's original unsolicited advice and just rebrands the "new improved MAX" as a 737-785 (or some other designation) and then the airlines can say "no" whenever someone asks "is this plane a MAX?"
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By the time the MAX gets back online, it will probably end up costing Boeing more than what developing a 737 replacement would have. At the end of the day, Boeing will have to do both.
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Old 07-25-2019, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Grumble View Post
Unless a bunch of other airplanes lawn dart themselves it won’t be the safest airplane flying, and people under estimate the memory of the collective public. Dr Dao lasted what, a week? That chit still gets brought up. We’re talking about a stalwart narrow body American product being of grounded because of cost and corner cutting by McBoeing Douglass mgmt. They won’t forget.
While I agree Boeing messed this thing up. The fact is, no "Western" operator had a Max crash. None...

This is about crew training and lack of flying skills as much as it is about Boeing messing this thing up. The 737 as a whole is already one of safest airframes in history. The Max accidents will not change this. Fact is, Boeing did this entire MCAS fubar in order to protect pilots that should not be in the cockpit to begin with from crashing. It is unfortunate but automation and lack of training for real flying has taken us to this point. Boeing totally messed this up and continues to mismanage to a large degree. But once it does get back in the air, it WILL be one of the safest planes flying..... except for the continued lack of basic airmanship that is sitting in the seat.

The public will fly them. Cost is king... they look for the lowest price and buy. Boeing will remove the MAX name and move on. So will the public.
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Originally Posted by FastDEW View Post
While I agree Boeing messed this thing up. The fact is, no "Western" operator had a Max crash. None...

This is about crew training and lack of flying skills as much as it is about Boeing messing this thing up. The 737 as a whole is already one of safest airframes in history. The Max accidents will not change this. Fact is, Boeing did this entire MCAS fubar in order to protect pilots that should not be in the cockpit to begin with from crashing. It is unfortunate but automation and lack of training for real flying has taken us to this point. Boeing totally messed this up and continues to mismanage to a large degree. But once it does get back in the air, it WILL be one of the safest planes flying..... except for the continued lack of basic airmanship that is sitting in the seat.

The public will fly them. Cost is king... they look for the lowest price and buy. Boeing will remove the MAX name and move on. So will the public.
So a western trained pilot would have intuitively known that the forces on the trim wheel would be so high, they'd have to unload the airplane (which is already in an extreme nose low attitude) to manually move the trim wheel? After, of course, recognizing a subtle and slow runaway trim that's totally different than what we've been trained to expect a runaway trim to look like. While also dealing with an airspeed disagree and a continuous stick shaker. Sure, a random Sulley or Al Haynes might have figured it out in time. Average Joe American pilot? I doubt it.

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