But handily put up with a management team that can't keep up with them and pennies on the dollar for retro? I get it, our scope is better than theirs and well worth fighting for but I've been watching chinks in scopes armor appear on almost every contract I've had to live under. Guess you could say we've caved slightly less that Delta has over the years?

Yea team !! :rolleyes:

Delta’s profitably also has to do with the fact that they don’t fly nearly the wide bodies that we fly. They have the best wide body fleet, they just don’t fly very many of them. They leave that up to their partners (i.e. Virgin Atlantic which they own 49%).

DAL ALPA had also never voted down a contract. The ATL LEC which is/was widely regarded as another arm of mgmt lost their proverbial feces when TA1 was shot down. TA2 was even better with full retro, which the old DAL guard said would NEVER happen. Guess what...

Why in the world would you think we have to give anything up? I finished giving in the bankruptcy contract. Certainly not scope.

With minimal changes to the reserve section, we can get huge improvements to QOL, with little cost to the company. Just stop the intentional abuse that really doesn't net the company anything except some limited improvement in their flexibility. A little planning on their part would avoid the need entirely. But that would necessitate actually doing their job instead of short cuts to staffing.

https://media3.giphy.com/media/QAqPB...7131477716f84a

This is spot on. Unfortunately the company is only really willing to talk if scope relief is on the table. We have said that any changes to our scope policy will only tighten the language. Without scope relief, they see no real need to negotiate a new contract at this time, with scope relief we’re don’t see the need to talk. Here we sit. At least we’re getting 20 brand new max 9’s this year.

Yet strangely Delta flies more flights across the Atlantic than any other airline in the world.

Well I guess it is a good thing for the other airlines that there is more than one body of water (Atlantic) to fly across.

People state information on the web all the time. Links with proof please, if you want intelligent people to believe you.

Also, from a pilot perspective it is not as important as pay and QOL. United pilots look to Delta and perceive a "greener grass", but the truth is UAL has WAY better work rules and FAR more pilots paid at the top rate as a percentage of the total pool of pilots.

A couple simple examples:
1) Delta pilots show up for their trip and the company reschedules the entire trip with no cost. NOT true at United.
2) Delta pilots are expected to extend when FAA 117 limits are hit. United pilots can and DO refuse and/or get paid.

This is a ridiculous argument on many levels.