A standard FC seat is not FAR 117 compliant, that’s why Delta needs two crews. UAL does the exact same thing on 737 Caribbean flights, the 757 has lie flat seats that comply with FAR 117 for a rest seat.

You can’t “waive” an FAR 117 regulation.

 

Someone wrote about "best practices" and combining them in the UPA. Best practices are best in the eye of the beholder and in the pockets of UAL.

The whole rest seat requirement is governed by FARs these days (wasn't so much back in the day) and are a non-negotiable item for contract purposes.

Personally my "best practice" is to only fly an airplane with a bunk for those long overnight augmented legs. The rest of you who are willing to fly coast to coast behind the clock need a hotel a step or two above the Best Western and that is a negotiated item.

Personally my "best practice" on those vacation months where PTC is a factor is very simple, enjoy the time off.

Back in the day a "senior" line of flying had 20 days off and pay time less than 75 hours. No one was allowed to max their hard time, but such is life. Enjoy your days in the metal bird.

 

All you need is a foam foot rest and a standard first class seat and your good to go. Costs about 50 bucks for the footrest. Actually you don’t even need the first class seat. A coach seat modified to recline 40 degrees is legal as well as a cockpit jumpseat.

) Class 3 Rest Facility. A class 3 rest facility is a seat in an aircraft cabin or flight deck that reclines at least 40 degrees. It provides leg and foot support (§ 117.3, TNO Report recommendation paragraph 5.2.5).

 

Thanks; I was about to post that. Here's an AC on the subject: https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/...r/AC_117-1.pdf

I also wanted to call you out on the carrier with the most seats across the Atlantic. But you were correct; Delta is #1: https://www.anna.aero/2018/04/18/tra...airport-table/

 

I don't see anywhere in that reg where it addresses just throwing a foam footrest on the floor, "it" appears to me to refer to the seat itself. Any modification would need to be approved by the FAA and added to the MEL, I don't think it's as easy as you imply.

 

Because it’s called a negotiation! Everything has a value!!! That’s the way it works and the Company doesn’t really care what you gave up previously.

 

I'm with Dave on this. The concession stand is closed. We caved plenty on the first joint contract. Anything for a greenback and to stop smisek and pierce. Unfortunately, there were reasons for this, then. There are none today.

 

I couldn’t agree more. Yet there are those who are looking to lower expectations and believe we should fund our own gains. If management has enough capital to rebrand the airline from top to bottom, purchase billions in stock buybacks, experiment with high CASM rj’s, infuse foreign airlines with cash, then they should have enough capital to provide an industry leading CBA with no givebacks. Period.

 

Well said RJ!

 

I’m not sure why sailingfun needs to come in here extolling the virtues of Delta’s work rules. He or she should be cheering for us to do well in our section 6 so they have a target to match.

Or you know, at least get domestic crew meals, guaranteed Economy Plus for DH, middle seat pay, RHA VEBA, 117 extension pay, new hire hotels and guarantee, or any of the things that add value to our operation every day.

At least if they fixed their international JV problem they could have routes more than 12 hours to use two captains on.