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03-20-2019, 01:23 PM
#41
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Originally Posted by DashTrash
That’s right, we’re not Delta!!! We’re not going to give our scope out like it’s Halloween candy!!!
Yea team !!
03-20-2019, 01:44 PM
#42
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Originally Posted by 757Driver
But handily put up with a management team that can't keep up with them and pennies on the dollar for retro? I get it, our scope is better than theirs and well worth fighting for but I've been watching chinks in scopes armor appear on almost every contract I've had to live under. Guess you could say we've caved slightly less that Delta has over the years?
Yea team !!
Yea team !!
03-20-2019, 08:31 PM
#43
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Originally Posted by 757Driver
I do realize that's the case but can you point to any of CAL's or UAL's former after expiration date contracts where either one of our carriers actually got full retro reimbursement?
I certainly can't and our track record speaks for itself.
I certainly can't and our track record speaks for itself.
03-23-2019, 09:10 AM
#44
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Originally Posted by DashTrash
But are we willing to pay for reserve language that will most likely be marginally better for giving away our scope??? As I’ve said before many times. I will personally vote no on any TA that contains ANY relaxation in scope. I won’t even read past Section One. Automatic no!!!
With minimal changes to the reserve section, we can get huge improvements to QOL, with little cost to the company. Just stop the intentional abuse that really doesn't net the company anything except some limited improvement in their flexibility. A little planning on their part would avoid the need entirely. But that would necessitate actually doing their job instead of short cuts to staffing.
03-23-2019, 11:52 AM
#45
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Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald
Why in the world would you think we have to give anything up? I finished giving in the bankruptcy contract. Certainly not scope.
With minimal changes to the reserve section, we can get huge improvements to QOL, with little cost to the company. Just stop the intentional abuse that really doesn't net the company anything except some limited improvement in their flexibility. A little planning on their part would avoid the need entirely. But that would necessitate actually doing their job instead of short cuts to staffing.
With minimal changes to the reserve section, we can get huge improvements to QOL, with little cost to the company. Just stop the intentional abuse that really doesn't net the company anything except some limited improvement in their flexibility. A little planning on their part would avoid the need entirely. But that would necessitate actually doing their job instead of short cuts to staffing.
03-23-2019, 12:06 PM
#46
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Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald
Why in the world would you think we have to give anything up? I finished giving in the bankruptcy contract. Certainly not scope.
With minimal changes to the reserve section, we can get huge improvements to QOL, with little cost to the company. Just stop the intentional abuse that really doesn't net the company anything except some limited improvement in their flexibility. A little planning on their part would avoid the need entirely. But that would necessitate actually doing their job instead of short cuts to staffing.
With minimal changes to the reserve section, we can get huge improvements to QOL, with little cost to the company. Just stop the intentional abuse that really doesn't net the company anything except some limited improvement in their flexibility. A little planning on their part would avoid the need entirely. But that would necessitate actually doing their job instead of short cuts to staffing.
03-23-2019, 12:10 PM
#47
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Originally Posted by DashTrash
Delta’s profitably also has to do with the fact that they don’t fly nearly the wide bodies that we fly. They have the best wide body fleet, they just don’t fly very many of them. They leave that up to their partners (i.e. Virgin Atlantic which they own 49%).
03-23-2019, 01:22 PM
#48
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Yet strangely Delta flies more flights across the Atlantic than any other airline in the world.
03-23-2019, 02:03 PM
#49
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Yet strangely Delta flies more flights across the Atlantic than any other airline in the world.
Also, from a pilot perspective it is not as important as pay and QOL. United pilots look to Delta and perceive a "greener grass", but the truth is UAL has WAY better work rules and FAR more pilots paid at the top rate as a percentage of the total pool of pilots.
A couple simple examples:
1) Delta pilots show up for their trip and the company reschedules the entire trip with no cost. NOT true at United.
2) Delta pilots are expected to extend when FAA 117 limits are hit. United pilots can and DO refuse and/or get paid.
03-23-2019, 02:19 PM
#50
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Originally Posted by RJDio
If they have money to rebrand the airline (livery, airport signage, uniforms, silverware, etc) they have money to fund an industry leading CBA.
Horse trading in this environment is ludicrous.
Horse trading in this environment is ludicrous.
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