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03-20-2019 | 01:23 PM
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Yea team !!
03-20-2019 | 01:44 PM
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But handily put up with a management team that can't keep up with them and pennies on the dollar for retro? I get it, our scope is better than theirs and well worth fighting for but I've been watching chinks in scopes armor appear on almost every contract I've had to live under. Guess you could say we've caved slightly less that Delta has over the years?
Yea team !!
Yea team !!
03-20-2019 | 08:31 PM
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DAL ALPA had also never voted down a contract. The ATL LEC which is/was widely regarded as another arm of mgmt lost their proverbial feces when TA1 was shot down. TA2 was even better with full retro, which the old DAL guard said would NEVER happen. Guess what...
03-23-2019 | 09:10 AM
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But are we willing to pay for reserve language that will most likely be marginally better for giving away our scope??? As I’ve said before many times. I will personally vote no on any TA that contains ANY relaxation in scope. I won’t even read past Section One. Automatic no!!!
With minimal changes to the reserve section, we can get huge improvements to QOL, with little cost to the company. Just stop the intentional abuse that really doesn't net the company anything except some limited improvement in their flexibility. A little planning on their part would avoid the need entirely. But that would necessitate actually doing their job instead of short cuts to staffing.
03-23-2019 | 11:52 AM
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Why in the world would you think we have to give anything up? I finished giving in the bankruptcy contract. Certainly not scope.
With minimal changes to the reserve section, we can get huge improvements to QOL, with little cost to the company. Just stop the intentional abuse that really doesn't net the company anything except some limited improvement in their flexibility. A little planning on their part would avoid the need entirely. But that would necessitate actually doing their job instead of short cuts to staffing.
With minimal changes to the reserve section, we can get huge improvements to QOL, with little cost to the company. Just stop the intentional abuse that really doesn't net the company anything except some limited improvement in their flexibility. A little planning on their part would avoid the need entirely. But that would necessitate actually doing their job instead of short cuts to staffing.
03-23-2019 | 12:06 PM
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Why in the world would you think we have to give anything up? I finished giving in the bankruptcy contract. Certainly not scope.
With minimal changes to the reserve section, we can get huge improvements to QOL, with little cost to the company. Just stop the intentional abuse that really doesn't net the company anything except some limited improvement in their flexibility. A little planning on their part would avoid the need entirely. But that would necessitate actually doing their job instead of short cuts to staffing.
With minimal changes to the reserve section, we can get huge improvements to QOL, with little cost to the company. Just stop the intentional abuse that really doesn't net the company anything except some limited improvement in their flexibility. A little planning on their part would avoid the need entirely. But that would necessitate actually doing their job instead of short cuts to staffing.
03-23-2019 | 12:10 PM
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Yet strangely Delta flies more flights across the Atlantic than any other airline in the world.
03-23-2019 | 01:22 PM
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03-23-2019 | 02:03 PM
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Also, from a pilot perspective it is not as important as pay and QOL. United pilots look to Delta and perceive a "greener grass", but the truth is UAL has WAY better work rules and FAR more pilots paid at the top rate as a percentage of the total pool of pilots.
A couple simple examples:
1) Delta pilots show up for their trip and the company reschedules the entire trip with no cost. NOT true at United.
2) Delta pilots are expected to extend when FAA 117 limits are hit. United pilots can and DO refuse and/or get paid.
03-23-2019 | 02:19 PM
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