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03-23-2019, 03:57 PM
#51
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Originally Posted by Sunvox
People state information on the web all the time. Links with proof please, if you want intelligent people to believe you.
Also, from a pilot perspective it is not as important as pay and QOL. United pilots look to Delta and perceive a "greener grass", but the truth is UAL has WAY better work rules and FAR more pilots paid at the top rate as a percentage of the total pool of pilots.
A couple simple examples:
1) Delta pilots show up for their trip and the company reschedules the entire trip with no cost. NOT true at United.
2) Delta pilots are expected to extend when FAA 117 limits are hit. United pilots can and DO refuse and/or get paid.
Also, from a pilot perspective it is not as important as pay and QOL. United pilots look to Delta and perceive a "greener grass", but the truth is UAL has WAY better work rules and FAR more pilots paid at the top rate as a percentage of the total pool of pilots.
A couple simple examples:
1) Delta pilots show up for their trip and the company reschedules the entire trip with no cost. NOT true at United.
2) Delta pilots are expected to extend when FAA 117 limits are hit. United pilots can and DO refuse and/or get paid.
Delta Pilots can refuse an extension and in fact its being changed as we speak to opt in rather than opt out system.
Each airline has some better and some worse work rules. To state Uniteds are way better is quite a stretch. Delta for example uses two CA’s on flights over 12 hours and augments any flight over 8 hours.
Delta requires turns on narrow bodies exceeding the FAR’s to also be double crewed rather than a relief pilot. Dinner and a show to the Caribbean.
03-23-2019, 04:29 PM
#52
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Originally Posted by Sunvox
People state information on the web all the time. Links with proof please, if you want intelligent people to believe you.
Also, from a pilot perspective it is not as important as pay and QOL. United pilots look to Delta and perceive a "greener grass", but the truth is UAL has WAY better work rules and FAR more pilots paid at the top rate as a percentage of the total pool of pilots.
A couple simple examples:
1) Delta pilots show up for their trip and the company reschedules the entire trip with no cost. NOT true at United.
2) Delta pilots are expected to extend when FAA 117 limits are hit. United pilots can and DO refuse and/or get paid.
Also, from a pilot perspective it is not as important as pay and QOL. United pilots look to Delta and perceive a "greener grass", but the truth is UAL has WAY better work rules and FAR more pilots paid at the top rate as a percentage of the total pool of pilots.
A couple simple examples:
1) Delta pilots show up for their trip and the company reschedules the entire trip with no cost. NOT true at United.
2) Delta pilots are expected to extend when FAA 117 limits are hit. United pilots can and DO refuse and/or get paid.
2 gems leftover from previous L-UAL contracts that never should have seen the light of day.
As a PS, yes I know CAL’s previous contracts sucked but we were light years ahead of you on these two items.
Best practices my ***.
03-23-2019, 05:33 PM
#53
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Delta requires turns on narrow bodies exceeding the FAR’s to also be double crewed rather than a relief pilot. Dinner and a show to the Caribbean.
No rest seat, no relief pilot.
03-23-2019, 05:57 PM
#54
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Originally Posted by C11DCA
How many Delta narrowbodies have an FAR compliant rest seat that would allow a relief pilot to be used on those turns?
No rest seat, no relief pilot.
No rest seat, no relief pilot.
03-23-2019, 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ReadyRsv
UAL contract allows a pilot in coach middle seat to operate the turn.
5-J-4
You might be thinking of the double crew concept where one crew flies down, the other deadheads. They swap. In that case yes a middle seat Econ+ is possible.
But not for an augmented flight.
03-24-2019, 06:13 AM
#57
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Originally Posted by C11DCA
How many Delta narrowbodies have an FAR compliant rest seat that would allow a relief pilot to be used on those turns?
No rest seat, no relief pilot.
No rest seat, no relief pilot.
03-24-2019, 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by 757Driver
You forgot to mention our incredibly lame PTC protection that dumps every single minute of overs when there is a cancellation or reschedule. Or the even better day off restoration that isn’t as long as you are deadheading home the day after your trip supposedly ends.
2 gems leftover from previous L-UAL contracts that never should have seen the light of day.
As a PS, yes I know CAL’s previous contracts sucked but we were light years ahead of you on these two items.
Best practices my ***.
2 gems leftover from previous L-UAL contracts that never should have seen the light of day.
As a PS, yes I know CAL’s previous contracts sucked but we were light years ahead of you on these two items.
Best practices my ***.
03-24-2019, 07:05 AM
#59
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Exactly my point. Most other airlines on those routes waive the rest seat requirement and allow a standard first class seat so a relief pilot can be used. Delta requires it be dual crewed.
For example:
03-24-2019, 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Photoflier
I’ve called out my LUAL brethren for this same thing: STOP with the “WE and YOU” crap. It’s only US now.
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