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Old 12-04-2019 | 07:19 AM
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I honestly don't think it's true, (web cam, software download etc.) and I personally think that some "FO" was just yanking Celeste's chain, unless of course if someone who has taken the test recently can otherwise confirm.
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Old 12-04-2019 | 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by JetDoc
I honestly don't think it's true, (web cam, software download etc.) and I personally think that some "FO" was just yanking Celeste's chain, unless of course if someone who has taken the test recently can otherwise confirm.
The company has started using integrity monitoring software similar to online academic programs. Your test can get flagged by the software for things like pop ups and other people in the view of the camera. I’m not sure if you are automatically failed or if it just triggers a review of the test. This is HRs response to people that were using notes or a copy of a passing profile. HR has known the test had been compromised for some time either by individuals or prep companies.
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Old 12-04-2019 | 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by JetDoc
I honestly don't think it's true, (web cam, software download etc.) and I personally think that some "FO" was just yanking Celeste's chain, unless of course if someone who has taken the test recently can otherwise confirm.
Confirmed, took the hogan a couple months ago.
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Old 12-04-2019 | 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by FlewNavy
The company has started using integrity monitoring software similar to online academic programs. Your test can get flagged by the software for things like pop ups and other people in the view of the camera. I’m not sure if you are automatically failed or if it just triggers a review of the test. This is HRs response to people that were using notes or a copy of a passing profile. HR has known the test had been compromised for some time either by individuals or prep companies.
Standard practice, try to go the cheap/easy route.

As opposed to the summer help hiring of 2007 where you had to go to an approved testing facility, show ID, and take it.

OR, heres a novel concept, just make the F2F process longer and have the candidate take it at that time, etc.
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Old 12-04-2019 | 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by John Carr
OR, heres a novel concept, just make the F2F process longer and have the candidate take it at that time, etc.
That’s what they should do. I had one of our recruiters/interview pilots tell me that they started the webcam deal because they had a few get caught using different types of gouge, and a couple even had someone else to take the test for them.

Here’s an easy solution. Do a basic phone interview with the person and ask the usual questions to make sure that they don’t have any skeletons in the closet. Talk about education, training history, employment history, experience, etc. They could even ask a few personality questions if they want. If the person does well enough on that, bring them in, take the Hogan as part of the interview, possible sim profile, and spend some actual time with them in the face to face interview. I’d think that you will get a better feel as to how a person would fit in by actually talking to them than analyzing some computer based personality assessment. We’ve kicked some really good people to the curb simply because they didn’t take the test well. If they show up and don’t score well on the Hogan but seem to be a quality individual that you’d enjoy flying a tough 4 day with, then just hire them. Their resume has already demonstrated that they can fly and pass our training program.
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Old 12-04-2019 | 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Itsajob
That’s what they should do. I had one of our recruiters/interview pilots tell me that they started the webcam deal because they had a few get caught using different types of gouge, and a couple even had someone else to take the test for them.

Here’s an easy solution. Do a basic phone interview with the person and ask the usual questions to make sure that they don’t have any skeletons in the closet. Talk about education, training history, employment history, experience, etc. They could even ask a few personality questions if they want. If the person does well enough on that, bring them in, take the Hogan as part of the interview, possible sim profile, and spend some actual time with them in the face to face interview. I’d think that you will get a better feel as to how a person would fit in by actually talking to them than analyzing some computer based personality assessment. We’ve kicked some really good people to the curb simply because they didn’t take the test well. If they show up and don’t score well on the Hogan but seem to be a quality individual that you’d enjoy flying a tough 4 day with, then just hire them. Their resume has already demonstrated that they can fly and pass our training program.
This is spot on. Couldn’t agree more.
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Old 12-04-2019 | 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by xGearSlingerx
Confirmed, took the hogan a couple months ago.
Thanks. I talked to a friend today, solid dude, that took it in October and he confirmed as well. He also didn't get selected to continue in the process but is now currently waiting on class date at Atlanta Widget and Submarine Commander Jacket Inc. Sad because UAL was his first choice and now he has to wear his hat year round.
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Old 12-04-2019 | 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Itsajob
Here’s an easy solution. Do a basic phone interview with the person and ask the usual questions to make sure that they don’t have any skeletons in the closet. Talk about education, training history, employment history, experience, etc. They could even ask a few personality questions if they want. If the person does well enough on that, bring them in, take the Hogan as part of the interview, possible sim profile, and spend some actual time with them in the face to face interview. I’d think that you will get a better feel as to how a person would fit in by actually talking to them than analyzing some computer based personality assessment. We’ve kicked some really good people to the curb simply because they didn’t take the test well. If they show up and don’t score well on the Hogan but seem to be a quality individual that you’d enjoy flying a tough 4 day with, then just hire them. Their resume has already demonstrated that they can fly and pass our training program.
Myself, and others have been preaching that concept forever.

But as a general rule, we line pilots don't get enough say/input on the process sadly.

Originally Posted by JetDoc
Thanks. I talked to a friend today, solid dude, that took it in October and he confirmed as well. He also didn't get selected to continue in the process but is now currently waiting on class date at Atlanta Widget and Submarine Commander Jacket Inc. Sad because UAL was his first choice and now he has to wear his hat year round.
Sucks for him since we are his first pick, an all too common occurrence. Not the first (nor last) that a quality candidate was turned down by the aforementioned process.
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Old 12-04-2019 | 07:37 PM
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I’d like to take the test and see how unemployable I really am. I’m not a very social person, I don’t like to be the center of attention, I don’t feel the need to take charge or to be in charge, I’m not impressed by status or income, but I do like fast cars, fast motorcycles, and anything that gets the adrenaline pumping. I’m horribly politically incorrect, I love an off color joke, I like guns and shooting sports, I’m annoyed by our hyper sensitive society, etc. According to the Hogan, I’m a bad apple, but when at work I play the part and act like a professional. Like everyone else, my training record is spotless and I seem to have a good time with everyone that I fly with. Could it be that the Hogan really doesn’t say much about who will make a good employee? I’d like to see it eliminated, but HR is mighty powerful when it comes to hiring pilots at United, and they seem pretty proud of their interview process.
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Old 12-04-2019 | 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by sigler
Thanks for the link. Any idea on what sort of results would be considered “good”?
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Originally Posted by Itsajob
I’d like to take the test and see how unemployable I really am. I’m not a very social person, I don’t like to be the center of attention, I don’t feel the need to take charge or to be in charge, I’m not impressed by status or income, but I do like fast cars, fast motorcycles, and anything that gets the adrenaline pumping. I’m horribly politically incorrect, I love an off color joke, I like guns and shooting sports, I’m annoyed by our hyper sensitive society, etc. According to the Hogan, I’m a bad apple, but when at work I play the part and act like a professional. Like everyone else, my training record is spotless and I seem to have a good time with everyone that I fly with. Could it be that the Hogan really doesn’t say much about who will make a good employee? I’d like to see it eliminated, but HR is mighty powerful when it comes to hiring pilots at United, and they seem pretty proud of their interview process.
Add to every question, "at work". That was some of the best advice anyone has given regarding the HPI on this board. Beyond the all to simple and not alway applicable "don't overthink it".
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