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Originally Posted by Omniscient (Post 2897991)

The video for the Aviate website is very....lets just say it...."checked many boxes"

Stop telling on yourself.

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Originally Posted by Omniscient (Post 2897991)

The video for the Aviate website is very....lets just say it...."checked many boxes"

There's a video?

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Originally Posted by YAKflyer (Post 2897943)

As an outsider I would disagree and like to give you something to consider. At AA if someone gets hired into one of their regionals they are guaranteed a job with AA. If the regional needs to scrape the bottom of the barrel a little bit to attract people, are all those selected going to be desirable to share a cockpit with or work for AA for 40 years? There is no way for AA to break the contract. Time at a regional (for those who want to move on) should be a time of proving one's self. Anyone who does not work hard to be the best they can be does not deserve (in my estimation) to move on before those who are will to give their best.

I do not think UA hurts themselves in any way being able to be selective in who they hire. In fact I think you should want and be grateful that every restricted ATP that finds their way into the UA system does not have a lock on a job at UA. The big three (AA, DL, UA) will be able to attract pilots to their respective companies. If I were in charge of staffing flight operations at any of the big three I would want to be able to select the very best that meet my standards rather than being forced to take anyone who does not.

Yeah, yeah, but they DON’T select the best.

Does this take away the cpp?

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Originally Posted by YAKflyer (Post 2897943)

You have no problem flying in the back of United regional partners knowing they hire incapable pilots? Does United hold any responsibility to their passengers and safety? I would personally want to hire the best pilots for anything that carries the United name from day one. C5 crashed an an E145 last winter and United awards them more flying. Safety and hiring the best pilots is not want United strives for. They want a cheap product and are willing to risk safety to meet their goals. I know how this business works.

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Originally Posted by airlinepilot50 (Post 2898047)

Actually I do have a problem riding behind an unskilled (relatively), unsafe pilot. That is why I am a big advocate of both pilots having an ATP. If it were up to me a pilot wouldn't be able to pass a check ride without being able to fly a hand flown ILS to Cat 1 minimums on the standby horizon. I've flown as an expat contract pilot for an Asian airline and I know far too well what poor skills look like and I'm convinced nobody at my previous airline could fly an approach on the standby horizon. Personally I am concerned about the deterioration of stick & rudder skills as the equipment becomes ever more automated and computerized.

With that said I do not think I would want to share a cockpit with every person who is able to acquire a restricted ATP for 10 hours on an ocean crossing. When I say the regionals are a proving ground, I'm not referring to the ability to fly an airplane safely. I'm talking about figuring out if they will fit into the culture of the major. I'm talking about from the company's perspective is this someone I want to be a part of my workforce for 40 years?

Wow is all I can say about all the egos that float around when the “qualification” discussion rises its ugly head.

Basically my experience is this;

Total time means very little in the quality and ability of the pilot. What does make a huge difference is the level of training and continued high standards of everyday performance.

All you military jet jocks know, the US Government takes a person with zero time and in less than 200 hours they are flying airplanes loaded with weapons and often with WMDs.

Assuming the standards of training, checking and continued operation remain high, I personally have no problems with the new program announced by UAL. Additionally I would be more than comfortable riding with such pilots at the controls.

Does the military have the same training footprint as United? I only ask because there is a reason they call it fire hose training.

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Originally Posted by Omniscient (Post 2897991)

The video for the Aviate website is very....lets just say it...."checked many boxes"

Did you get triggered? Are you going to be ok? Is your name Stephen Miller?

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Originally Posted by KonaJoe (Post 2898119)

......Is your name Stephen Miller?

:D Thanks for that. I assume you saw his "performance" with Chris Wallace.

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