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YANXJTPilot 10-05-2019 08:59 PM


Originally Posted by hslightnin (Post 2898680)
Whats this do to express now? Green on green will only get worse at express. Bring that flying in house.

If you mean XJT, yes. Word is we will need street CAs in 2020.

Upgrade just went to under 3 years.

Give it another few years and the regionals will be gone from attrition anyway.

Half wing 10-05-2019 09:15 PM


Originally Posted by airlinepilot50 (Post 2898852)
United DOES NOT care about training or safety! It’s entertaining to see some United pilots brag about this new program to keep the bad pilots away. Hey fools, United rewards more flying to the cheaper regionals that have lower training standards. It’s all about $$$, not safety.

United’s number one core value is safety. The aviate new hire program is about getting the best pilots to United, which increases safety. It weeds out the jack wagons, which understandably, you are bitter about. If you have skeletons in your closet or are a lousy pilot, just go to a WO at American and flow straight to mainline with no interview and no college degree required.

Half wing 10-05-2019 09:21 PM


Originally Posted by OffAtTango (Post 2898774)
Meanwhile two United Express carriers with reputable training programs and good safety records were not even included in this new program.

Is it possible these other 2 Express carries also do flying for Delta or American? IE SkyWest? I doubt Delta would allow SkyWest to have such a program with a competitor which would drain their pilots. Just a thought.

Rahlifer 10-05-2019 10:22 PM


Originally Posted by cadetdrivr (Post 2898694)
Totally agree. If it were up to me there would not be Express.

If a 1500 hr pilot can handle an E175 they can handle a 737 or A320 and I'd rather have them paired with a mainline CA. Either at Express or mainline there's 1500hr pilots flying airplanes with UAL paint.

There’s a world of difference between an E-Jet and a Boeing or Airbus. An E175 is a basic jet trainer designed to be operated by extremely low time pilots. A 1500 hour cfi would have a much more difficult time transitioning from Cessnas into a 737.

JoePatroni 10-05-2019 10:30 PM


Originally Posted by airlinepilot50 (Post 2898852)
United DOES NOT care about training or safety! It’s entertaining to see some United pilots brag about this new program to keep the bad pilots away. Hey fools, United rewards more flying to the cheaper regionals that have lower training standards. It’s all about $$$, not safety.

You can reapply one year after a rejection....FYI.

PhantomHawk 10-06-2019 01:04 AM


Originally Posted by JoePatroni (Post 2899049)
You can reapply one year after a rejection....FYI.

Not with the new AVIATE. One time only.

airlinepilot50 10-06-2019 03:39 AM


Originally Posted by Half wing (Post 2899035)
Is it possible these other 2 Express carries also do flying for Delta or American? IE SkyWest? I doubt Delta would allow SkyWest to have such a program with a competitor which would drain their pilots. Just a thought.

United has hired more Skywest pilots in the past five years than ExpressJet and they didn’t have a CPP.

airlinepilot50 10-06-2019 03:48 AM


Originally Posted by Half wing (Post 2899033)
United’s number one core value is safety. The aviate new hire program is about getting the best pilots to United, which increases safety. It weeds out the jack wagons, which understandably, you are bitter about. If you have skeletons in your closet or are a lousy pilot, just go to a WO at American and flow straight to mainline with no interview and no college degree required.

Stop throwing your fellow ALPA pilots in hole they didn’t deserve. Clarify how this increases safety at United? You are admitting that United cares less about safety at the regionals because it only matters when a United customer flies on mainline? That sounds reassuring to the passengers United sells tickets to.

Skyward 10-06-2019 03:50 AM

Sounds somewhat similar to the Destination225 program that SWA just launched a couple months ago.

airlinepilot50 10-06-2019 03:55 AM


Originally Posted by CLRtoPush (Post 2898742)
Yup, keep all the sub grade pilots at United’s regionals so only they land planes in the snow with United’s pax on board.

Don’t forget United’s #1 core value is safety! If you read the disclaimer in fine print it only applies to mainline flights, not the other United subcontractor flights that every United passenger has flown on at some point.


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