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10-04-2019 | 08:12 AM
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Thanks for that. I assume you saw his "performance" with Chris Wallace.
10-04-2019 | 09:44 AM
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I wouldn't say this program falls behind the industry. Maybe not as good as a flow like American has. But sounds better than Delta's Propel program which doesn't include WO pilots at 9E at all. And I don't think any LCC's or other major airlines have career progression paths even worth discussing.
10-04-2019 | 10:07 AM
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I wouldn't say this program falls behind the industry. Maybe not as good as a flow like American has. But sounds better than Delta's Propel program which doesn't include WO pilots at 9E at all. And I don't think any LCC's or other major airlines have career progression paths even worth discussing.
9E still has the DGI so in theory they don’t need Propel participation.
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10-04-2019 | 10:52 AM
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10-04-2019 | 10:55 AM
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The new program mentioned in this thread will/should bring these pilots from a lower level of experience to the higher standards required for UAL operations. Like the military, it should (I don’t know how the process will actually work) wash out those who fail to make the grade.
10-05-2019 | 04:11 AM
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Not quite....folks get around 80-90 hours in the T-6 and another 110’ish in the T-38 (not sure of T-1 track) so they are graduating with >200hrs. Then then throw in IFF and another 8 months of FTU and then MQT at their first Ops Squadron, and they are well above 200 hours before they are actually qualified to put war-craniums on fore-craniums.
10-05-2019 | 05:27 AM
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Not quite....folks get around 80-90 hours in the T-6 and another 110’ish in the T-38 (not sure of T-1 track) so they are graduating with >200hrs. Then then throw in IFF and another 8 months of FTU and then MQT at their first Ops Squadron, and they are well above 200 hours before they are actually qualified to put war-craniums on fore-craniums.
Ok, but I think you get the idea. These threads all too often seem to measure their skill levels by total time and years. I’m advocating the key is quality training, checking and operations which raises the levels of safety.
10-05-2019 | 05:57 AM
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I’m not even an FNG yet, but 10,000 more pilots being hired behind me in the next 10 years sounds like a pretty good deal. Are you guys concerned about the United brand with pilots that are perceived to be too inexperienced or that this process makes it too easy? If the standard for actually getting hired is the same how does this affect quality?
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