Vacancy 20-03V
10-31-2019 | 04:10 PM
#251
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What a strange direction the thread took. I can't believe how forgetful people are of the bad times, lack of stability, lack of job openings, etc. If someone is separating and taking a chance outside of active duty, that's a big leap. Units close, positions get defunded, the economy can a downturn, hiring projections can change. On the other side, we could get involved with a conflict, and as others have shown, you could end up living in a tent away from your family for a long time. Strange how anyone, especially those with a military background would look at that from the outside and think someone is making those choices with a "rolling in dough" mindset. I'd guess that most people making these choices are doing it with a family in mind, not a Ferrari. If someone can get a class date with a major, they'd be crazy not to take it, even if someone thinks the good times are permanent. They're not.
Getting a guard spot can be tricky, and timing a class date for training for certain guard jobs isn't just a matter of letting the unit know when you're going, just like you don't just let United know when you're going to Indoc.
Nobody should turn down a class date that doesn't potentially want to regret that decision for a decade stuck in a regional or findiong other work. Especially those who are serving the country (at a much lower payrate than those *****ing about their PS impact).
Guys in this position have likely been serving for 10-12 years, and have spent a lot of time in some crummy places.
If you don't take it, they're just going to fill that slot with some 20-something that isn't grateful for the job that mom and dad most likely helped get them, and starts thinking on day 1 about suing the company because he didn't get the seniority number that he was entitled to. If they're thinking about suing for that, can you imaging flying with them and trying to debrief a crappy approach or bad decision or having to stand on a carpet with them in front of a CP or jury?
For anyone thinking about the Guard or Reserves out of the gate, go for it. The only people that would negatively judge you are people you wouldn't respect anyway.
Getting a guard spot can be tricky, and timing a class date for training for certain guard jobs isn't just a matter of letting the unit know when you're going, just like you don't just let United know when you're going to Indoc.
Nobody should turn down a class date that doesn't potentially want to regret that decision for a decade stuck in a regional or findiong other work. Especially those who are serving the country (at a much lower payrate than those *****ing about their PS impact).
Guys in this position have likely been serving for 10-12 years, and have spent a lot of time in some crummy places.
If you don't take it, they're just going to fill that slot with some 20-something that isn't grateful for the job that mom and dad most likely helped get them, and starts thinking on day 1 about suing the company because he didn't get the seniority number that he was entitled to. If they're thinking about suing for that, can you imaging flying with them and trying to debrief a crappy approach or bad decision or having to stand on a carpet with them in front of a CP or jury?
For anyone thinking about the Guard or Reserves out of the gate, go for it. The only people that would negatively judge you are people you wouldn't respect anyway.
Yes, there are times when it was bad for pilots, but being stuck commuting for 2 years to a 756 reserve post because you were young is sucky no matter how you slice it. My guess is the dude has perspective, but just wanted to vent. I get it. It's ok to vent.
We wouldn't be pilots if we didn't have something to complain about.
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11-01-2019 | 06:53 AM
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From: T-38C SEFE
If you're an airline pilot with a guard or reserve gig and 17+ tafms then you're crazy not to try to get an active retirement. The only guys I've seen salty about long term mil leave were the ones unable to pull it off themselves.
It's just business. If the airline had to furlough we'd be the first ones to get the boot and the company wouldn't lose a second of sleep. If a real war started we'd be sent to fight and the military wouldn't skip a beat if you died fighting it. So if you can take care of yourself and your family by finishing 20 years of service then you should try to make it happen.
And as to the anectdote of guys with 17-20 years of service having a hard time getting hired...I haven't seen anyone who's really trying be unable to get hired at a major unless they have some serious skeletons or something. But even then I know people hired this year with lost IP quals, multiple Q-3s, even Article 15s.
It's just business. If the airline had to furlough we'd be the first ones to get the boot and the company wouldn't lose a second of sleep. If a real war started we'd be sent to fight and the military wouldn't skip a beat if you died fighting it. So if you can take care of yourself and your family by finishing 20 years of service then you should try to make it happen.
And as to the anectdote of guys with 17-20 years of service having a hard time getting hired...I haven't seen anyone who's really trying be unable to get hired at a major unless they have some serious skeletons or something. But even then I know people hired this year with lost IP quals, multiple Q-3s, even Article 15s.
11-03-2019 | 10:26 AM
#256
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Vacancy 20-03V
To be clear, I don’t begrudge a guy working in the reserves/guard to cross the retirement finish line and get his due. There should be a little something extra for hanging it all out in a force that’s been asked to do more with less.
I do have a problem with premeditated sharpshooting for fun and profit that abuses the the intent of the law, the company, and fellow pilots (and then to hear them brag about it). My previous comments are aimed at abuse which is rare, but it happens and damages the reputations of all. I hope we can agree on that point.
Thanks for working on HD #3!
I do have a problem with premeditated sharpshooting for fun and profit that abuses the the intent of the law, the company, and fellow pilots (and then to hear them brag about it). My previous comments are aimed at abuse which is rare, but it happens and damages the reputations of all. I hope we can agree on that point.
Thanks for working on HD #3!
You mean like this guy from the December bid period last year? I’d have to look again but I believe his BES didn’t have anything less than 2 day trips. His commander must be one ball buster to have that poor pilot work one day of mil on Xmas eve and another day of mil on the 26th.
11-03-2019 | 12:40 PM
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That certainly looks like someone gaming the system. But you never know. I have a buddy at another major airline where a guy just like you took a screen shot of a schedule and emailed it to the chief pilot. (He had July 4 blocked out for mil leave and only that day) He brought a copy of the flight plan for the pow/mia flyover he did that day.
11-03-2019 | 12:45 PM
#258
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Maybe he’s really Santa Clause... ever thought about that?
11-03-2019 | 02:18 PM
#259
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11-03-2019 | 02:25 PM
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You would have to ask him that question. I am not well versed in how airlines I don’t fly for work their schedules.
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