baseball

I guess he wants to make 40K a year for 30 years.

I have a son who is getting ready to enter the regional pilot work force. He understands that this should be a very tempoary stepping stone. 1 to 2 years in the right seat, and then 1 to 2 years in the left seat. Any longer than that impedes his career goals.

baseball

I believe those are two major flaws in your argument.

1. Peoples perceptions are their realities. If the person who is paying the bills says it is what it is, then guess what, that's what it is. The ALPA pyramid puts members on top and leadership at the bottom. If the mainline duespaying members indicate a preference on an issue based on their perceptions it is what it is. Read "flying the line." what I posted on American comes from there. That was their perception about how ALPA got it wrong on turbo props and the commuter industry. They weren't wrong.

2. Your argument about RJ pilots control over scope has nothing to do with the conflict of interest. The conflict of interest exists elsewhere as previously pointed out. Scope is definitely a part of the argument, but you incorrectly connect two separate issues, likely because you don't understand it, or you intentionally want to confuse people. RJ pilots perceived control or lack of control is not germane to the discussion.

threeighteen

Your son needs to develop some more realistic career goals. He'll be lucky to even get a job at a regional in the next 2-3 years.

RJpilot1

Thousands upon thousands of ALPA pilots will be on the street Oct 1st. Regionals will recover first, but 2-3 years seem realistic. Many mainline pilots will be waiting to apply.

FXLAX

1. If a poll of certain number of people says they perceive the sky to be purple, does that make it reality?

2. I’m trying to reduce this conversation to it’s foundation. And that’s scope. If there was a way for a regional pilot group to be able to negotiate a modification of mainline pilot scope, then there would be standing on your argument and we could move to a discussion on how dues money is distributed or changing the structure of ALPA so as to essentially make regional pilot groups independent, etc. But since that is not the case that any regional pilot group can change mainline scope, the argument fails the first test, standing, because there would be no competing interests.

baseball

The foundation of this conversation is actually the power of and authroity of the dues paying members in good standing of major (mainline) airlines, who don't like to be lectured to, or told what to do by regional airlines. The foundation of this discussion is the rights of mainline dues payers to determine the trajectory of their union. It's more than simply "scope langauge" it's the representational structure. ti's CLASS AND CRAFT and the need for a renewed discussion as to what that MEANS TODAY!. is the RJ pilot in the same class and craft of a mainline major airline pilot? if the answer is NO, then a regional airline pilots association would be appropriate for their representation.

The dues paying member's money, and their vote should count to the extent that they receive adequate representation in their goals, career expectations, and in their bottom-lines and are NOT DIMINISHED or MINIMIZED, or MARGINALIZED by regional representatives, their negotiators, and their negotiating priorities by using mainline dues moneys against their interests.

If the dues paying members of mainline pilots vote to say the sky is purple, then guess what, we're gonna have some Purple Rain. I'll see if we can get the rest of Prince's band to see if they are available since Prince is deceased.

FXLAX

The foundation of this conversation is actually the power of and authroity of the dues paying members in good standing of major (mainline) airlines who don’t like to be told what to do by regional airlines?

Okay. What I’m saying is that regional airlines CANNOT tell mainline pilots what to do. So it doesn’t matter if a regional pilot tells you to do something. They have no power to make you do it, despite the fact that some of your dues money is being used by that regional pilot to tell you what to do.

The foundation of this discussion is the rights of mainline dues payers to determine the trajectory of their union? It's more than simply "scope langauge" it's the representational structure.

Okay. I’ve said that I’m not necessarily disagreeing with that. I said that a discussion on dues appropriation and or structure of ALPA, including independent union for regional pilots, is a different and separate conversation than your conflict of interest point, that doesn’t even have to breach the subject of class or craft (a whole other conversation). You said that you’d be ok with helping pay for aeromedical and other ALPA toolbox items. That’s also a subsidy that they would have to divert core funds to keep those services. It’s all fungible money. So why would you be ok with funding that part of regional pilot MECs if there wasn’t actually some overlapping interests?

The dues paying member's money, and their vote should count to the extent that they receive adequate representation in their goals, career expectations, and in their bottom-lines and are NOT DIMINISHED or MINIMIZED, or MARGINALIZED by regional representatives, their negotiators, and their negotiating priorities by using mainline dues moneys against their interests?

Okay, except that regional pilots, their representatives, negotiators, and their priorities (even if violent to mainline pilots) cannot diminish, minimize, or marginalize mainline pilots because they have no authoritative power to do so.

Just because you give money to someone, doesn’t mean that they can use that money against your interests. And if they cannot use that money against your interests, by definition, it isn’t a conflict of interest to give him some of your money. It’s a simple thought experiment that when you use logic, you come to only one conclusion.

Lastly, if somehow you can make purple rain, it still would not mean the sky is purple. It would just mean you can make purple rain. That act doesn’t touch the fact that the sky is blue.

ReadOnly7

Please stop arguing with FXLAX. He has ALWAYS been this way, and he will literally never budge an inch. You will repeat your argument, and he will repeat his......and never the two shall meet. He is fundamentally incapable of seeing another side of any discussion. There is literally no point.

atpcliff

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OOfff

hahahahaha. Wait, this is satire, right?