Furlough estimate
05-27-2020, 12:56 PM
#771
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Originally Posted by Half wing
If you put 9656’s emp number into Unitedseniority.com she is exactly 70.0% today. 13005 pilots at United as of today according to that website.
It most likely means she is safe from furlough as she is the most junior FO in the 777 ORD base that isn’t a post merger hire. The fact she needed a full QUAL most likely led to her assignment.
05-27-2020, 01:08 PM
#772
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I dunno, I think that’s a heck of a coincidence that the most junior person assigned training just so happens to be exactly 70.0% as of today. They keep saying not to look at it and that it means nothing about furloughs but come on. Exactly 70.0% as of today? The very last hire before the merger? Hopefully future training assignments will make me eat my words....
05-27-2020, 01:09 PM
#773
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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
She is also on a dead fleet/base (ORD 777) and is coming for the full QUAL on the Guppy as she was 756 prior the 777. I flew with her back in 2014/15 time frame......
It most likely means she is safe from furlough as she is the most junior FO in the 777 ORD base that isn’t a post merger hire. The fact she needed a full QUAL most likely led to her assignment.
It most likely means she is safe from furlough as she is the most junior FO in the 777 ORD base that isn’t a post merger hire. The fact she needed a full QUAL most likely led to her assignment.
05-27-2020, 04:09 PM
#774
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Originally Posted by UAL97
- 17 757s, 50 737-900s and all 787s being pulled out of storage
- Expecting a robust international recovery
- A flight manager on the call with a 3360xx employee number said that he'd likely be on the borderline of furlough
- Bullish on an early retirement plan coming out that will be popular
- Displacement is to get as many guys into lower paying positions as possible
- Second round was supposed to be out this week but likely delayed until next week due to them possibly reconsidering some things
- Up to 2000 thousand furloughs could be the initial number but that could easily be reduced along with the number of displacement numbers as things improve
- Won't be until July before there is a more accurate picture of how many potential furloughs to realistically expect
- Expecting a robust international recovery
- A flight manager on the call with a 3360xx employee number said that he'd likely be on the borderline of furlough
- Bullish on an early retirement plan coming out that will be popular
- Displacement is to get as many guys into lower paying positions as possible
- Second round was supposed to be out this week but likely delayed until next week due to them possibly reconsidering some things
- Up to 2000 thousand furloughs could be the initial number but that could easily be reduced along with the number of displacement numbers as things improve
- Won't be until July before there is a more accurate picture of how many potential furloughs to realistically expect
Last edited by mrjiggs287; 05-27-2020 at 04:22 PM.
05-27-2020, 05:18 PM
#775
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Originally Posted by JetBlast77
I dunno, I think that’s a heck of a coincidence that the most junior person assigned training just so happens to be exactly 70.0% as of today. They keep saying not to look at it and that it means nothing about furloughs but come on. Exactly 70.0% as of today? The very last hire before the merger? Hopefully future training assignments will make me eat my words....
Don’t exaggerate. There was one dude junior to her before the post merger hire Yost.
05-27-2020, 05:41 PM
#776
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Originally Posted by mrjiggs287
I am a 343XXX employee number. I was hired April’16. If a FM with a 3360XX number said he/she was on the borderline of furlough, that takes us into those hired before Jan 23 2016. That is 3000-ish furloughs.
06-06-2020, 05:40 AM
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Per the last flight ops town hall, PC now stated they are as of now targeting a 30 percent reduction in pilot "staffing". He clarified this in the live Q+A at the end. He said the 30 percent is based on "active line pilots, currently 11,800 minus retirements between now and summer 2021". By my math there is approximately 400 pilots to retire in that period per Unitedseniority.com. That comes to 11,400(.30)=3,420 furloughs without any additional mitigation. This is a huge number and very unfortunate. I am included in this number as well. They seem to be planning on shrinking to profitability.
06-06-2020, 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Pro2nd
Per the last flight ops town hall, PC now stated they are as of now targeting a 30 percent reduction in pilot "staffing". He clarified this in the live Q+A at the end. He said the 30 percent is based on "active line pilots, currently 11,800 minus retirements between now and summer 2021". By my math there is approximately 400 pilots to retire in that period per Unitedseniority.com. That comes to 11,400(.30)=3,420 furloughs without any additional mitigation. This is a huge number and very unfortunate. I am included in this number as well. They seem to be planning on shrinking to profitability.
06-06-2020, 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by AxlF16
"Without further mitigation" is the key. They can market a mitigation plan (aka concession) by claiming to reduce furloughs by thousands and we'll think we got a good deal! I'm a pretty reasonable person and am willing to objectively consider options, but I think they are over playing their hand here. Now is the time to be bold and 'press to test'! Call their bluff and simply shrug while saying "a contract is a contract - do your job and manage the airline". I understand that this sounds cavalier coming from a guy with very little risk of furlough, but they've eroded my patience & reasonableness with their 30% axe. They have highly paid analysts and powerful computers but everything seems to add up to a nice round 30%? No calculus - just subtraction.
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