Ditto for one's pay and vacation longevity. The clock keeps ticking.

 

Unless you are a legacy CAL pilot. Then you are treated like a red headed step child from both your union and the company and your pass travel gets adjusted.

 

It is not right, but didn't that occur at CAL prior to the merger due to CAL's policy of the time?

 

Not sure why that happened, but unlike UAL, the CAL pilots were also held to the legacy CAL probation that existed as of 2008. I finally got off probation in October 2018. Not to pick at old wounds, but there were a lot of disparities such as these that were engineered into the SLI.


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Why would your pass travel be "adjusted"? It should be based on your date of hire.

 

nope....it was adjusted for time on furlough

12/07 hire date
3/10 pass travel date

longevity for pay was reinstated to 12/07

 

Yes, but....

Unfortunately, CAL did not give longevity to furloughed employees prior to the merger so the employees that were furloughed have an adjusted date. It seems wrong in comparison to the pre-merger UAL policy or what happened post-merger in the UPA, but that was the situation when the merger occurred.

Speaking with my reps, the company considers this a can or worms because fixing it would either include fixing it across the board or excluding other employee groups. Each "solution" then creates additional issues with a benefit that is non-contractual in the first place.

Not that there isn't a solution, as there are several obvious ones, but it's not as simple to fix as one would like to think.

Without the company having interest in coordinating a solution to the problem, it remains a problem.

 

First let me say that I did not bring this up to rehash sli so i want that to be clear. Having said that legacy United furloughed pilots were provided with many Benefits/entitlements/rights/whatever you want call it including a special loa that I was in favor of by the way post merger. The key here is that everyone that I have talked to about this agrees this is wrong and as much as I want to like Insler because I think he is a smart guy and has done some good things, he and the rest of the MEC have thumbed their nose at legacy cal furloughed pilots regarding this issue. For whatever reason, and it’s anyone’s guess why, the union refuses to fight for this. Had this been legacy Ual pilots affected it would have been different and everybody knows it as evidenced by the loa written especially for them post merger. Insler refuseD to call me back even when I left him voicemails about this. The impression I get is that this poking the eyes of the red headed step children is something he has learned to rather enjoy! If there are furloughs in United’s future, and I hope there isn’t, but if there is and if we are not made whole before they return with better benefits than I have as a current employee, I am almost certainly going to take further action. It’s the principle of the thing you know!

 

FWIW, I totally agree with you.

But I'll also add that there's a reason why there was a LOA just for UAL fuloughees.

And that's because they were very specifically excluded by the language that granted "everybody" full longevity to DOH. Whether the original language was written with malice or incompetence is open to debate, but it was something was was both obvious and an area that was covered by the UPA.

 

X2. But only on the CAL side. I’m honestly not complaining - it’s done and none of us can change it, ALPA has zero desire to change it. Just pointing out that for every single sUAL pilot who says that they got screwed, there is an equal and opposite sCAL guy who was equally screwed in some other way.


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