Furlough estimate
06-19-2020 | 08:20 AM
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I'll start by apologizing to those that don't have the choice. Having been furloughed twice I understand the stress. I don't mean my question to be insensitive. But, for a 20 year type that went through the displacement down to a NB FO out of LAX, and planning on taking the voluntary furlough for family business, if offered (given uncertainty of a furlough), will it make any pay difference for that furlough pay to bid to the 763 out of EWR on the current bid instead of camping out in LAX? If I remember right when recall hits you get recalled back to your old seat if you can hold it. The way I see it is the blended rate for the 75/76 kicks in so it looks like a few extra bucks an hour. Again, sorry for the folks going through the prefurlough worries now. Plus who knows what the UAL fleet will look like in the future.
06-19-2020 | 05:45 PM
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So after the initial 30% cut Oct-Dec, what number will go in January? Another 20%? It’s clear international travel isn’t coming back and countries are now planning on not allowing US citizens inbound access due to the fact that we can’t even wear masks and the Covid spread is accelerating and we have a president who is incompetent. International, business and other non essential travel is dead. International airlines are dead. Can the company operate with 3000 pilots? Probably.
06-19-2020 | 06:07 PM
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how nice to have had those 70ish 737-700s that Kirby cancelled. Would have made for a nice domestic network that could be pretty handy right now (facepalm)
So after the initial 30% cut Oct-Dec, what number will go in January? Another 20%? It’s clear international travel isn’t coming back and countries are now planning on not allowing US citizens inbound access due to the fact that we can’t even wear masks and the Covid spread is accelerating and we have a president who is incompetent. International, business and other non essential travel is dead. International airlines are dead. Can the company operate with 3000 pilots? Probably.
06-19-2020 | 06:35 PM
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06-19-2020 | 07:18 PM
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Yep. How would that look if we had been expanding domestically with all of those 737-700s 3-4 years ago? The network itself would look different and wouldn’t be 70% or so RJ flying. I’m gonna guess closer to what SWA, DL and AA are doing.
06-19-2020 | 07:22 PM
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Just remember that for the next merger, when a 5 year JB, Alaska, Spirit , Allegiant Captain gets merged with a now 20 year United Captain. We were in a great position a year ago to acquire one of these airlines and do very well in a seniority integration because of longevity and the number of wide and mid-body Captains up against the narrowbody airlines out there. Now it would be a bloodbath. Lets hope United doesn’t buy anybody.
If you knew anything about it you would realize that any lcc has no chance of widebody and way less longevity. Longevity is time on property not doh. Therefore merger with jb etc would be a bkood bath for them.
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06-19-2020 | 07:26 PM
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So after the initial 30% cut Oct-Dec, what number will go in January? Another 20%? It’s clear international travel isn’t coming back and countries are now planning on not allowing US citizens inbound access due to the fact that we can’t even wear masks and the Covid spread is accelerating and we have a president who is incompetent. International, business and other non essential travel is dead. International airlines are dead. Can the company operate with 3000 pilots? Probably.
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06-19-2020 | 07:31 PM
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There are 3 current cornerstones. Seat/status, career expectations , longevity.
If you knew anything about it you would realize that any lcc has no chance of widebody and way less longevity. Longevity is time on property not doh. Therefore merger with jb etc would be a bkood bath for them.
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If you knew anything about it you would realize that any lcc has no chance of widebody and way less longevity. Longevity is time on property not doh. Therefore merger with jb etc would be a bkood bath for them.
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06-20-2020 | 12:56 AM
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Any merger with JB, Alaska, etc. would have a long term fence to fence them off from wide bodies. They had no career expectations of flying anything bigger than a Guppy or A321.
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