cadetdrivr

Indeed.

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks"

cadetdrivr

Just to try to get the thread back on track, the latest town hall suggests we will hear something next week.

And just to be clear, since we don't know what's gonna happen any discussion is simply a theoretical math exercise at this point. In addition, seems unlikely that we will hear a planned total number of absolute furloughs simply because that number remains unknown, even if they stick to the official plan of targeting 30%.

Thus, if the target in July remains "30%" that does not mean that a pilot 31% from the bottom is safe or 29% is absolutely getting furloughed.

We are off the chart in terms of navigating an unknown crisis and UAL can furlough in multiple groups resulting in a series of furloughs, or alternately, dial back the numbers as required. Nothing says a 30% reduction has to happen at once or the target can't be changed.

If past history is any guide the plan will absolutely change.

Huell

Never heard that one until you used it. Whatever.

duvie

While I definitely agree with you that Legacy United pilots have a huge disconnect between what their career expectations were in 2000 versus 2008 (and IMHO incorrectly believe that Continental guys should’ve been junior pilot fodder for the bad luck they endured in the lost decade), I find that most L-UAL guys are far more sensible about the fact that the merged airline had a much better outlook than their old airline....Even UAL circa 2000.

to me, the Continental guys are the ones that hang onto this bizarre notion that they would’ve been better off without the merger and very quickly forget that they were the benefactors of a huge airline turn around. Most people hired at Continental in the 90s were essentially other major airline rejects and accidentally ended up at one of the best majors to work for in the 2000s.

Just my anecdotal data collection from the right seat. And with that broad brush, I’m sure I sufficiently ticked off both legacy groups 🤪

blockplus

I think my calendar is off. It says 2020 yet, I see isl stupidity. It must be 2012. It must be, because if it is 2020 and the pre merger BS is still being hashed over, then there must be some real losers on this group. Either that or dementia is taking over. So many other things to give a crap about and we get this....

LAXLUVR

In 2009 I shared a hootch with a 2001 LCAL hire in a that little slice of heaven known as Bagram. Both of us were happier to be in that hole than to be at either LCAL or LUAL because neither seemed like a good place to go to work at the time. Sort of like mustard on your feces sandwich...

Blackhawk

No kidding. I feel like I'm on a kindergarten playground. What was this thread about?

Bluewaffle

Well that's good news. I at least now I can look forward to a Tiny paycheck for October

globetruck

Look at it this way. We are all now seasonal employees. My date of hire and longevity gives me 3 months furlough notice plus 4 months severance. I’m on a 7 month contract with UAL. Sad that our pilot group has 15-20 year employees who are now being treated like seasonal part time labor.

Zero concessions. We have already paid enough to enrich management and watch them squander the fruits of our labor.


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rekatron

We've always been seasonal employees. Not in seasons of the year, but in seasons of the economy. Coming out of the merger was spring. The past few years were summer, and right now it's fall -- still warm enough to still do a little work.

But as the Starks like to say...."Winter is Coming".

There will eventually be another spring, as long as you can resist the urge to sell the farm to feed yourself.