Aldo Raine

It sure would be nice to get this language in a side letter, as apparently Hawaiian has in their actual contract:

“All pilots, who have submitted a letter of resignation while on furlough status, shall be eligible for recall and shall be recalled in accordance with this section.”
- HAL contract

dumpcheck

The problem with such a recall policy being made public (in writing or even word of mouth) is that it effectively blackballs all furloughees from that airline. For example, word got out at Frontier back in ‘04 or so when someone was running his mouth...
Talk to your union if you find yourself in this situation; not the forum; not the break room.

horrido27

0
zero

Motch

bigfatdaddy

I’m liking that number Motch!

ERAUAV8TR

0

such a perfect number )

Airhoss

Using my upper mathmagramical skills I’m gonna lay it out. 100% probability of error x Motches theorem of mathically bueno equation of 0 (zero) = Zero.

Zero % chance that any of us know what’s coming but I’m hoping Motch is correct.

CLazarus

I like it!!! No one is gonna beat you on the under!

TheSoCalGuy

Kinda like Darwin and Karma......Don't dabble within.

In reading the Company NPDM 20-10 email this evening......Time will be the player.

Stay thirsty and be well.

The stillest

it’s late and I’m 2 cocktails in to my evening, so take it easy on me here...


Besides Oscar, which top executives (SVP and higher) are leaving or about to leave United? That could be a starting point for a little confidence building

The email from ALPA says that United is going to be “smaller”. What does “smaller” mean? It doesn’t mean “fewer airframes” necessarily like pilots like to think - but it likely means fewer ASMs, which are sometimes harder for pilots to wrap their heads around.

Our economy is going to process these upcoming changes by welcoming more industries home. A lot of manufacturing will be brought back to the USA and a “decoupling” from other nations and a retreat from globalization is likely to occur.

Now you have a company in Houston setting up factories in Brownsville and Oklahoma City with a warehousing and distribution hub in Chicago. Sales reps, executives, and their money are going to be traveling between those cities.

Multiply that web by thousands across the USA and, while your dreams of a cush life on “sparky” as a fabled “bunkie” dosing for dollars to kreblakistan at 0230 in the AM are dashed, you’ll likely have more than enough ASMs to fly domestically on the SNB - probably on redeyes, too.

It’s quite possible that the 787’s will see a lot more domestic action as these industries start popping up here soon. Hub to hub flights were already jammed full on 787’s and 777’s...

but wait, “new normal” you say? Hmm, not likely here to stay as once the novel coronavirus smell wears off this baby and we move on to the next crisis, people will jam themselves back into a jet again and share “remember when” stories as they cough on their neighbor’s baby during the first drink service

As a nice book end to the “executives bailing” opener, how does our order book look for the SNB fleet?

1. execs sticking around
2. industries returning to the USA
3. airplane orders not canceled

If the first three are working in our favor and we, say, fly 50% fewer international ASMs but increase domestic ASMs dramatically? Then I’m guessing we shed roughly 10-12% of our seniority list in October with the resumption of hiring in fall 2021.

I hope I’m wrong and there are no furloughs as travel returns to normal at the end of this summer. I also hope that if we do have to watch even one pilot get furloughed, that my post ages well.

captsurf

If they only park the 756 fleet and displace everyone then that’s 2060 pilots (call it 1950 for guys on medical/mil). They’d probably be looking at summer 2021 and 2022 numbers, so right in the middle would be year end 2021. There’s 660 retirements between now and then. So right there we are only fat 1300 pilots looking forward through end of 2021. That’s 10%, so we’d need to be back to 90% by that point. That also assumes zero further aide provided by the government, zero early retirements, SRLs, or COLAs.