Well on August 2nd they'll have to show their cards...

 

Early July... 90 day notice...

 

They can show their cards any time that they want to after June 3rd. Section 7-A says that notice shall be at least 30, but not more than 120 days notice.

 

what is the reason behind the “not more than 120 days”?

 

“Mommas wrong again”

General Furlough Protection
1-I-1 No Pilot on the Seniority List as of January 23, 2016 shall be placed on furlough on less than ninety (90) days advance written notice.

 

How is 120 days less than 90 days? The section that you quote says that they have to give at least 90 days. Section 7-A-1 says but not more than 120, so they can still notify people of a furlough 120 days out if that is what they want. Pilots with a furlough notice also don’t have to be trained, so it cleans up a massive displacement.

 

Just to put a fine point on it:

if they announce a furlough of 2,000, then they start training the 2,001 pilot up from the bottom and he/she doesn’t gets pay protected despite the fact that there are many pilots in the bottom 2,000 named by the displacement letter.

if they don’t announce furloughs until 30 days prior, that 2001st pilot and 500 more pilots (CLazurus or LeeFDX can scour the seniority list) get man-for-man pay protection until the furlough of all the junior displaced pilots is announced.

it’s significant because Unless you’re getting bumped off the 756, the company is going to save money bumping you. I think the tough part for the company is knowing where to start training. They say they want to stay flexible, because obviously the next real hurdle is whether or not we have to shutdown again on the fall. IMHO, no fall shutdown (and 1. the blue governors who want to F Trump open up their states 2. The red states who Naively thought they were safe don’t see big spikes) means we’ll be at 80+% next summer. If we have to shutdown this winter, the whole economy, including airlines is going to be in a world of hurt.

 

There may be a 2nd wave, but a second shutdown won’t happen. We won’t be caught with our pants down again. We are arresting people for sitting on the beach, surely we can’t be this dumb of a populace.


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Okay. That was long. I’m not doing SSC work so don’t get into the finer points of 8-F-5 tracking.

Now, regarding furloughs, I expect a large group to get notified early Jun. if you want my guess, 2300 and I won’t go into my math. I’ll just call it an educated WAG. Such an announcement would be inside the 120 max notification restriction and at the same time relieves the company from having to train them. They stay in their current BES until 1 Oct. However, until 1 Oct they do provide a man for man protection for those senior in the displaced BES prior to a 1 Oct furlough. They are still active until furloughed.

Any additional furlough announcements can be withheld until the time necessary to meet the required notification minimum based on the pilots DOH.

And I hate even thinking much less typing these numbers. Just giving an honest assessment. I am not privy to any MEC discussions that may have happened on this topic.

I really hope my WAG is wrong.

Lee

 

I think you are probably right... IMO the Initial number of furloughs will be based off the Jan 23, 2016 date in the contract and occur sometime between the 120-90 day point.

One question, does anyone know the CCS seniority number for the pilot hired after this date? I was surprised that they don’t show this date on the master seniority list like they did in the past...