Furlough estimate
07-04-2020, 06:17 AM
#1041
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Originally Posted by Nucflash
Cancelling so soon? The 8th is Wednesday. I was thinking if it wasn’t just before the holiday it would be the Monday after, the 6th....so as to let people enjoy their burgers and dogs before they have to think about going on food stamps. Also, the next FO town hall is Thur the 9th. That could indicate it will be Friday...so they can hide behind a CCS message for the weekend.
07-04-2020, 08:18 AM
#1042
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BQ’s message in the FOU dated July 1 mentions the likelihood of issuing WARN notices this month for “furloughs that are effective October 1”.
The fact that they weren’t issued by July 3 bodes well for pilots hired prior to Jan ‘16, since furloughs deeper than that require 90 day notice per the UPA.
The fact that they weren’t issued by July 3 bodes well for pilots hired prior to Jan ‘16, since furloughs deeper than that require 90 day notice per the UPA.
07-04-2020, 09:00 AM
#1043
Don't say Guppy
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I don't know if any airline can escape a trip through bankruptcy court after shrinking 30%. A lot of your fixed costs are still there, and you can't get out of them without the help of a judge. That is why any Delta Bravo management puke spewing "shrink to profitability is a complete idiot.
Unless air travel returns quickly, any airline trying to go it without "safe harbor" is just kicking the can down the road, and will end up so indebted they will never make money, or pay their obligations.
The only hope is further bailouts. I don't think the country has any more stomach for that.
Unless air travel returns quickly, any airline trying to go it without "safe harbor" is just kicking the can down the road, and will end up so indebted they will never make money, or pay their obligations.
The only hope is further bailouts. I don't think the country has any more stomach for that.
07-04-2020, 09:11 AM
#1044
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Originally Posted by Winston
BQ’s message in the FOU dated July 1 mentions the likelihood of issuing WARN notices this month for “furloughs that are effective October 1”.
The fact that they weren’t issued by July 3 bodes well for pilots hired prior to Jan ‘16, since furloughs deeper than that require 90 day notice per the UPA.
The fact that they weren’t issued by July 3 bodes well for pilots hired prior to Jan ‘16, since furloughs deeper than that require 90 day notice per the UPA.
07-04-2020, 09:30 AM
#1045
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Originally Posted by JimLaheyTPS
Possibly a good observation and I like the optimistic view. My only counter is if there is any reason the company couldn’t just say “90 day notice for furloughs to begin October 10th”? October 1st is the soonest, but is there anything stopping the company from just pushing the affective date back a few days?
It also affords me another opportunity to work on my Syrio Forel impression:
”What do we say to the God of Furlough?”
”Not today.”
07-04-2020, 09:54 AM
#1046
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Originally Posted by JimLaheyTPS
Possibly a good observation and I like the optimistic view. My only counter is if there is any reason the company couldn’t just say “90 day notice for furloughs to begin October 10th”? October 1st is the soonest, but is there anything stopping the company from just pushing the affective date back a few days?
Idk how your system works. Would the last paycheck covered by CARES be received Oct 1 or Oct 15th? If it’s the latter, might that have something to do with the timing of the 90d window? Wouldn’t put it past any airline to try and have folks work through the monthly carryover period before furloughing.
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07-04-2020, 10:51 AM
#1047
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Originally Posted by Winston
BQ’s message in the FOU dated July 1 mentions the likelihood of issuing WARN notices this month for “furloughs that are effective October 1”.
The fact that they weren’t issued by July 3 bodes well for pilots hired prior to Jan ‘16, since furloughs deeper than that require 90 day notice per the UPA.
The fact that they weren’t issued by July 3 bodes well for pilots hired prior to Jan ‘16, since furloughs deeper than that require 90 day notice per the UPA.
2350 first round
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