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Old 07-01-2020, 12:15 PM   #991  
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As a guy literally on the bubble, can you share your math to how you arrived at 34% and what Unumber gives you 30% of active pilots without mitigation and volunteers? I can’t get me number to match. Just thanks!
Prior to the first displacement UAL had about 13,500 pilots on the seniority list BUT 11,438 "active" pilots staffed in categories. The difference between the total list and active list is due to PIs, management pilots, LTD, LOA, and pilots that retired since the previous annual seniority list update.

When I divide the post-merger hires by the active pilots I get exactly 34%.
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Old 07-01-2020, 12:24 PM   #992  
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If you guys are wondering why cadet used active itís because the MEC chair said thatís the number to use In the P2P brief on 6/11. If you use the most recent displacement bid 20-08D 30% is 3498.3 pilots. My guess is 3500 letters go out but I would not be surprised if everyone hired post merger gets a letter (that would include myself).
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Old 07-01-2020, 12:35 PM   #993  
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If you guys are wondering why cadet used active it’s because the MEC chair said that’s the number to use In the P2P brief on 6/11.
Correct.

Historically, if one was a manpower director trying to re-size the airline to fly exactly a 70% schedule in the summer of '21, one would also reduce furloughs by the number of expected retirements in the interim.

Typically, it does not make sense to furlough pilots seasonally due to both furlough pay and the necessity of recalling (and training) pilots in time to fly the schedule.

Make your own assumptions if we are in a typical situation.
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Old 07-01-2020, 01:19 PM   #994  
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No reason to speculate on how many... actual # will be out tomorrow or next day....
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what is the significance of the 10th most junior PI? I see 4 in the bottom 2500 or so. Without knowing how many they are hiring itís hard to speculate the significance no?
Thatís true-hopefully they only need to hire 1or 2. I only posted the 10th most junior guy as a frame of reference. Every couple PIs they need to hire cuts pretty deep into the list.
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I personally have not heard that rumor from anybody I trust to have inside info. (Not saying it's true or false.)

That said, here's some numbers using the new July 1 seniority list:
  • First post merger hire: 9,154
  • First pilot hired after January 23, 2016 : 10,727 (furloughs senior to this requires seat removal from UAX 76 seaters)
  • Junior pilot on list: 13,048
Go back and re-download the seniority list. Everyone moved up one number, i.e. the junior pilot is now 13,047... Have no idea why it changed today.
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Go back and re-download the seniority list. Everyone moved up one number, i.e. the junior pilot is now 13,047... Have no idea why it changed today.
Wow. They literally updated it late this afternoon.

So much for static numbers, huh?
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If you guys are wondering why cadet used active itís because the MEC chair said thatís the number to use In the P2P brief on 6/11. If you use the most recent displacement bid 20-08D 30% is 3498.3 pilots. My guess is 3500 letters go out but I would not be surprised if everyone hired post merger gets a letter (that would include myself).
I'm at 3502 from the bottom, does that mean I can start sleeping again?
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Nope. Iím 3600 from the bottom. If I donít get furloughed this month that just means I have a job until November 1st.....and so on until they start recalling.
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Ahhh yes... more unity building from the brain surgeons.

One of my favorite LUAL stories is the retired United pilot my father met in the wood shop in the retirement community. They got to talking about flying and my father mentioned his son is a United Captain. This retired surgeon started in on how much he hated the merger. Mind you, this guy was retired prior to the merger. Then he started talking about how all CAL pilots were scabs. YCMTSU.
except youíre MTSU. So yes, you can. Youíre story is BS. You know it. Truth be told, you probably sprinkled a couple elements of truth with a bunch of BS, just to rationalize your own prejudices. I can make up stories to slam CAL if I wanted anecdotal stories to post online to try to show how righteous I am, but that would be asinine. Kinda like your story.
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