Furlough estimate
06-23-2020, 09:14 AM
#961
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Originally Posted by ReadOnly7
The same 95% who voted for the Furlough Fund? Or is that just the 95% of the 70% who actually voted? I’ll just assume the other 30% won’t deviate from their status quo.
I’m not poking the bear, as I’ve totally accepted my fate with this company.....but to say that 95% are altruistic and will always do the right thing even when nobody is looking? Human beings don’t work that way.
I’m not poking the bear, as I’ve totally accepted my fate with this company.....but to say that 95% are altruistic and will always do the right thing even when nobody is looking? Human beings don’t work that way.
06-23-2020, 09:55 AM
#962
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Originally Posted by El Guapo
Disagree. I think plenty of people didn’t “bother” to vote because they knew it would be an overwhelming pass. I also think less than 5% will be picking up PPU.
06-23-2020, 09:56 AM
#963
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Originally Posted by LAXLUVR
With that number off 7779 active pilots am I correct in seeing the hire date for LUAL all the way back to Spring/Summer 2000 as a possibility? Understanding the exercise is an unknown unknown but still it is disconcerting. Understandable with the country's economic conditions though with so many out of work.
06-23-2020, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by El Guapo
Disagree. I think plenty of people didn’t “bother” to vote because they knew it would be an overwhelming pass. I also think less than 5% will be picking up PPU.
it’s contractual, so whatever......but I’m realistic about the nature of people. We are mostly selfish.
06-23-2020, 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by ReadOnly7
we can agree to disagree, and that’s totally ok. My own personal view is that a lot of people are being affected by the displacements, and opted to not vote. Couldn’t stomach a NO vote, but also didn’t want to empty their pockets any further. Those same dudes will be the ones maximizing credit in order to make up for the loss of their seat, etc....
it’s contractual, so whatever......but I’m realistic about the nature of people. We are mostly selfish.
it’s contractual, so whatever......but I’m realistic about the nature of people. We are mostly selfish.
06-23-2020, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by ReadOnly7
we can agree to disagree, and that’s totally ok. My own personal view is that a lot of people are being affected by the displacements, and opted to not vote. Couldn’t stomach a NO vote, but also didn’t want to empty their pockets any further. Those same dudes will be the ones maximizing credit in order to make up for the loss of their seat, etc....
it’s contractual, so whatever......but I’m realistic about the nature of people. We are mostly selfish.
it’s contractual, so whatever......but I’m realistic about the nature of people. We are mostly selfish.
06-23-2020, 01:44 PM
#967
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Originally Posted by Andy
Hard caps with no pay bank. Everything above the caps goes to the furlough fund.
06-23-2020, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ReadOnly7
I’d prefer less furloughs over a bigger furlough fund.....but that horse is beaten into the ground. Long threads filled with guys who yell about “don’t negotiate in public”, only to then blather on and on about how to proceed. Then sign off with “my union speaks for me”. ����♂️
06-23-2020, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald
Uhh…..My union speaks for me.
Most of these guys seem to think that “negotiating in public” only applies to ideas regarding furlough mitigation. By definition, that’s not accurate. If you offer your perspective, and what you are willing or NOT willing to accept.......you’re negotiating in public. That’s not letting your union speak for you.
YOUR post isn’t what I was referring to.
although......a short peek at your post history leads me to believe that the shoe fits.
hypothetical question for you.....does your union also speak for you when you disagree with their strategy?
06-23-2020, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ReadOnly7
you missed my point. I have ZERO issues with that statement. It’s the guys who write long dissertations about how things should be handled, and THEN say “my union speaks for me”. See the difference?
Most of these guys seem to think that “negotiating in public” only applies to ideas regarding furlough mitigation. By definition, that’s not accurate. If you offer your perspective, and what you are willing or NOT willing to accept.......you’re negotiating in public. That’s not letting your union speak for you.
YOUR post isn’t what I was referring to.
although......a short peek at your post history leads me to believe that the shoe fits.
hypothetical question for you.....does your union also speak for you when you disagree with their strategy?
Most of these guys seem to think that “negotiating in public” only applies to ideas regarding furlough mitigation. By definition, that’s not accurate. If you offer your perspective, and what you are willing or NOT willing to accept.......you’re negotiating in public. That’s not letting your union speak for you.
YOUR post isn’t what I was referring to.
although......a short peek at your post history leads me to believe that the shoe fits.
hypothetical question for you.....does your union also speak for you when you disagree with their strategy?
Ultimately the Union is our voice because we tell them what we want.
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