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idlethrust 08-27-2021 01:26 PM


Originally Posted by BobbyLakes (Post 3286338)
There are more than just the NetJets guy. Delta, FedEx, JetBlue.

Basically guys are taking the first class date that comes on their Radar.

I know of two that are leaving for f9.

jetlag q 08-27-2021 08:40 PM


Originally Posted by CantTaxiToACS (Post 3286235)
The Aviate list will not move quickly until they can convince enough young college grads GoJet and Air Wisconsin etc are better than SkyWest, Endeavor or AA WOs.


pay has to increase. I’m certain United will have this conversation with Mesa & gojet

Aquaticus 08-28-2021 06:06 AM


Originally Posted by BobbyLakes (Post 3286338)
There are more than just the NetJets guy. Delta, FedEx, JetBlue.

Basically guys are taking the first class date that comes on their Radar.

I don't know all the little details of aviate but what you are describing is how it has worked for the past 20 yrs. They have these preferred regionals or CPP or aviate which do nothing but put the really hungry people behind a stack of indifferent applicants. Take a look at any class and you see repeating group sizes. 50% of the hiring is military, 30% goes to big regionals like skywest or republic, and the rest is from all over. The really hungry people network their butts off EVERYWHERE and take the first decent job and you still keep your apps up to date and in primo condition until you are satisfied. The party can come to a screeching halt, new people could rethink Uniteds hiring matrix logic which has changed multiple times, or you could be at a LCC when they are bought or merged for better or worse. There have been multiple people from pretty big airlines in the past few classes and I know they were hired outside of aviate. Is that not a thing going forward?

If you go somewhere and pass the background checks, add a type, and no issues come up it is a selling point for you here at United. You are trainable and adaptable and are still applying to United... all good things. I don't think aviate is the fastest route here.

FunkEflyer 08-30-2021 10:52 AM

Email update

" in the coming weeks we plan to assign class dates to all eligible participants through the end of 2021."

John Carr 08-30-2021 01:13 PM


Originally Posted by jetlag q (Post 3286721)
pay has to increase. I’m certain United will have this conversation with Mesa & gojet

They don’t need to increase pay.

It’s been proven in the past.

Just make it a more juicy carrot or dangle it closer.

WindwardPilot 08-30-2021 03:32 PM

United Mainline hiring mins this website says 1000 turbine. Is that total, or does that mean 1000 hrs multi-turbine PIC?

“All who meet our mins will hired by ....”

GuppyDreamer 08-30-2021 07:58 PM

Aviate mins are not the same as hiring mins.

BobbyLakes 09-02-2021 06:32 PM

CJO’s are going out. Have any Aviate pilots received a class date over the past couple weeks?

FAAFlyer 09-02-2021 06:44 PM


Originally Posted by CQKSNT (Post 3286311)
A pool that is shrinking. A guy recently quit AVIATE for NETJETs.

I could see American, Southwest, FedEx, or UPS. But NetJets?? That's a time building job.

KirillTheThrill 09-02-2021 06:56 PM


Originally Posted by FAAFlyer (Post 3289619)
I could see American, Southwest, FedEx, or UPS. But NetJets?? That's a time building job.

We’ve had captains leave for corporate at SkyWest. It usually doesn’t occur as an FO, but as a CA. I know two guys in my upgrade class who left for that lifestyle. I think it’s the stress that sometimes is involved as acting as PIC at the 121 level. Corporate is generally a lot more laidback, and oddly your work is appreciated more by the paying customer(s). It obviously feels a less like your herding cattle and being hawked for every move you make.

Those guys at NetJets are making 100k+ which is far less than UA, but everything isn’t just about the money.


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