SK wants Concessions
06-02-2020, 05:18 AM
#181
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Originally Posted by mattc
^^^^This^^^
You don't know me dude. Some of us have been digging out of craters (i.e. two furloughs) for a long time and are just now filling them in. You have no idea what my obligations are. So speak for yourself iahflyer
You don't know me dude. Some of us have been digging out of craters (i.e. two furloughs) for a long time and are just now filling them in. You have no idea what my obligations are. So speak for yourself iahflyer
06-02-2020, 10:03 AM
#182
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Originally Posted by DashTrash
Not to mention that those of us who were in Regional Pilot Purgatory for the Dark Decade. We finally got a job to get us out of debt that was incurred during that time (including student loans).
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06-02-2020, 10:27 AM
#183
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Isn’t it annoying how these pilots that have been here 20+ years all assume UAL new hires are brand new to the industry? News flash, most of us aren’t green. We’ve been at regionals for decades, already been through multiple downturns, and when you guys were going through your pay cuts to 80K a year, we were only making 30K. This isn’t 1995. Most new hires are either military or prior 121, are middle aged with families, and are trying to make ends meat just like everyone else. We aren’t all 25 year olds living the dream in a bachelor pad.
06-02-2020, 11:19 AM
#184
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Originally Posted by JetBlast77
Isn’t it annoying how these pilots that have been here 20+ years all assume UAL new hires are brand new to the industry? News flash, most of us aren’t green. We’ve been at regionals for decades, already been through multiple downturns, and when you guys were going through your pay cuts to 80K a year, we were only making 30K. This isn’t 1995. Most new hires are either military or prior 121, are middle aged with families, and are trying to make ends meat just like everyone else. We aren’t all 25 year olds living the dream in a bachelor pad.
06-02-2020, 11:22 AM
#185
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Originally Posted by JetBlast77
Isn’t it annoying how these pilots that have been here 20+ years all assume UAL new hires are brand new to the industry? News flash, most of us aren’t green. We’ve been at regionals for decades, already been through multiple downturns, and when you guys were going through your pay cuts to 80K a year, we were only making 30K. This isn’t 1995. Most new hires are either military or prior 121, are middle aged with families, and are trying to make ends meat just like everyone else. We aren’t all 25 year olds living the dream in a bachelor pad.
06-02-2020, 12:58 PM
#188
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Originally Posted by Thor
The annoying thing is that despite the decade(s) of experience in the industry (according to you), most new hire pilots still don’t have a clue about the history of labor relations and the origins of the current book. Why is that?
During the “lost decade”, we are the ones who were stuck making 30K a year trying to support a family. We’ve all been through at least one bankruptcy, if not from our regional carrier, then from the carrier we were
flying for. I was told 2 years max at a regional. It took me 10 to get out, and I made it out sooner than many others I know. I’m not trying to throw a pity party for any of us, but we aren’t CFIs just getting started. Many of us have been furloughed before from a much lower paying job and are about to get furloughed again. Nevertheless, I’d rather be out of flying for a few years and come back at full pay. I don’t know anyone else that feels differently. FPLD.
06-02-2020, 01:17 PM
#189
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Originally Posted by JetBlast77
Sorry, but I call total and complete BS. I haven’t talked to a single new hire I know here that thinks we should take concessions. We know how bankruptcy works. Maybe there are few young guys here and there that need education, but they are by far the minority. It’s amazing that we are joining the ones who are saying “keep the UPA in tact” and we’re the ones that will be on the street making ZERO. Meanwhile senior guys are all over the forums complaining about getting bumped, taking a pay cut, and having to go to training. I’ve been in the industry for 15 years and the first year I made more than 50K is my probationary year here. Meanwhile I still have kids heading for college, still trying to save for retirement, still trying to pay bills, etc.
During the “lost decade”, we are the ones who were stuck making 30K a year trying to support a family. We’ve all been through at least one bankruptcy, if not from our regional carrier, then from the carrier we were
flying for. I was told 2 years max at a regional. It took me 10 to get out, and I made it out sooner than many others I know. I’m not trying to throw a pity party for any of us, but we aren’t CFIs just getting started. Many of us have been furloughed before from a much lower paying job and are about to get furloughed again. Nevertheless, I’d rather be out of flying for a few years and come back at full pay. I don’t know anyone else that feels differently. FPLD.
During the “lost decade”, we are the ones who were stuck making 30K a year trying to support a family. We’ve all been through at least one bankruptcy, if not from our regional carrier, then from the carrier we were
flying for. I was told 2 years max at a regional. It took me 10 to get out, and I made it out sooner than many others I know. I’m not trying to throw a pity party for any of us, but we aren’t CFIs just getting started. Many of us have been furloughed before from a much lower paying job and are about to get furloughed again. Nevertheless, I’d rather be out of flying for a few years and come back at full pay. I don’t know anyone else that feels differently. FPLD.
06-02-2020, 01:20 PM
#190
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Originally Posted by JetBlast77
Sorry, but I call total and complete BS. I haven’t talked to a single new hire I know here that thinks we should take concessions. We know how bankruptcy works. Maybe there are few young guys here and there that need education, but they are by far the minority. It’s amazing that we are joining the ones who are saying “keep the UPA in tact” and we’re the ones that will be on the street making ZERO. Meanwhile senior guys are all over the forums complaining about getting bumped, taking a pay cut, and having to go to training. I’ve been in the industry for 15 years and the first year I made more than 50K is my probationary year here. Meanwhile I still have kids heading for college, still trying to save for retirement, still trying to pay bills, etc.
During the “lost decade”, we are the ones who were stuck making 30K a year trying to support a family. We’ve all been through at least one bankruptcy, if not from our regional carrier, then from the carrier we were
flying for. I was told 2 years max at a regional. It took me 10 to get out, and I made it out sooner than many others I know. I’m not trying to throw a pity party for any of us, but we aren’t CFIs just getting started. Many of us have been furloughed before from a much lower paying job and are about to get furloughed again. Nevertheless, I’d rather be out of flying for a few years and come back at full pay. I don’t know anyone else that feels differently. FPLD.
During the “lost decade”, we are the ones who were stuck making 30K a year trying to support a family. We’ve all been through at least one bankruptcy, if not from our regional carrier, then from the carrier we were
flying for. I was told 2 years max at a regional. It took me 10 to get out, and I made it out sooner than many others I know. I’m not trying to throw a pity party for any of us, but we aren’t CFIs just getting started. Many of us have been furloughed before from a much lower paying job and are about to get furloughed again. Nevertheless, I’d rather be out of flying for a few years and come back at full pay. I don’t know anyone else that feels differently. FPLD.
Also, it’s unfair of me to paint all junior pilots with a broad brush like I did, but they do exist, I’ve had to pick my jaw up hearing it in person.
I am heartened to hear support of maintaining a strong CBA that we can grow on, at some point, rather than spend the next decade getting to where it is now.
Good luck to us all, in unity I’ll S T F U And let the union speak for me.
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