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N6279P 07-17-2020 12:21 PM


Originally Posted by LeeFXDWG (Post 3094037)
Here’s the best I can offer in reply.


Active Pilot Programs

Multi-Month Empty Lines and Half-Month COLAs

Multi-Month Empty Lines and Half-Month COLAs for a continuous eight months are available for all pilots to bid. An award for an Empty Line or a Half-Month COLA will encompass all of the bid periods from October 2020 through May 2021.

Multi-Month Empty Lines come with 20 hours of Add Pay paid in the June 2021 Bid Period. Pilots will continue to bid normally for Continuing Qualification (CQ) events and will be provided the opportunity to maintain currency.

Half-Month COLAs come with 10 hours of Add Pay paid in the June 2021 Bid Period. Pilots awarded a Half-Month COLA during the initial bid (an “unconditional” bid) will bid on blocks of 15 COLA days, which are at the beginning or end of each Bid Period.

For both the Multi-Month Empty Line and Half-Month COLA programs, the first 100 bidders in seniority order shall be awarded them. Additional awards will be determined by the Company in seniority order by Category.

Conditional Bids

Conditional bids are for pilots who want a Multi-Month Empty Line or a Half-Month COLA only in the event they are Involuntary Furloughed. Taking one of those options allows the pilot to remain on active status with some ability to pick up flying on an empty line. Pilots may place a conditional bid for a Multi-Month Empty Line or a Half-Month COLA in lieu of furlough provided no Pilot senior to him is Involuntary Furloughed. A Pilot placing a conditional bid will only be awarded this bid if they are subject to Involuntary Furlough.

Even if awarded, the Pilot may still be Involuntarily Furloughed if a senior pilot is subsequently Involuntarily Furloughed on the same date or at a later date. This is to prevent an unacceptable situation where a senior pilot is Involuntarily Furloughed while a junior pilot remains active. If the senior pilot instead accepts a Voluntary Furlough, Multi-Month Empty Line or Half Month COLA, the conditional bids/awards for junior pilots will remain in place.

That conditional bid paragraph is super confusing.

crflyer 07-17-2020 12:27 PM


Originally Posted by LeeFXDWG (Post 3094037)

Conditional Bids

Pilots may place a conditional bid for a Multi-Month Empty Line or a Half-Month COLA in lieu of furlough provided no Pilot senior to him is Involuntary Furloughed. A Pilot placing a conditional bid will only be awarded this bid if they are subject to Involuntary Furlough.
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I must be missing something, but how does this work if everybody but one person on furlough has somebody senior to them who is also furloughed? If 2249/2250 would-be furloughees place conditional bids but the last (most senior) person takes the involuntary furlough...is this saying zero people would get their conditional bid awarded, or is it saying it won’t be awarded if it creates a new furlough of someone senior to you?

SEDPA 07-17-2020 12:32 PM


Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 3094031)
you will get half in the first half and half in the last half with the ability to put them all together in the middle of the month.

Is this conjecture or do you have spoken word that differs from the ALPA comms ... “Half-Month COLAs come with 10 hours of Add Pay paid in the June 2021 Bid Period. Pilots awarded a Half-Month COLA during the initial bid (an “unconditional” bid) will bid on blocks of 15 COLA days, which are at the beginning or end of each Bid Period” leads me to believe you bid one 15 day block per month that is either at the beginning or end of the bid period.

MasterOfPuppets 07-17-2020 12:50 PM


Originally Posted by SEDPA (Post 3094052)
Is this conjecture or do you have spoken word that differs from the ALPA comms ... “Half-Month COLAs come with 10 hours of Add Pay paid in the June 2021 Bid Period. Pilots awarded a Half-Month COLA during the initial bid (an “unconditional” bid) will bid on blocks of 15 COLA days, which are at the beginning or end of each Bid Period” leads me to believe you bid one 15 day block per month that is either at the beginning or end of the bid period.

read 2.b.ii........

SEDPA 07-17-2020 01:36 PM


Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 3094071)
read 2.b.ii........

thank you!

JimLaheyTPS 07-17-2020 03:53 PM


Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 3093919)
I would if I could but I can’t due to my current position at United. I would be all over a empty line if I was a line pilot.

Out of curiosity can a PI be displaced back to the line or is the only involuntary way out the door being furloughed?

What attributes of an empty line are attractive to you if you were to not be committed to TK? I guess if one lives in base would make the option far more appealing. I’m really trying my best here to analyze our options to see if any of you he choices are going to be viable.

Airhoss 07-17-2020 05:42 PM


Originally Posted by JimLaheyTPS (Post 3094186)
Out of curiosity can a PI be displaced back to the line or is the only involuntary way out the door being furloughed?

What attributes of an empty line are attractive to you if you were to not be committed to TK? I guess if one lives in base would make the option far more appealing. I’m really trying my best here to analyze our options to see if any of you he choices are going to be viable.

Yes PI’s can most definitely be displaced back to the line.

MasterOfPuppets 07-17-2020 07:17 PM


Originally Posted by JimLaheyTPS (Post 3094186)
Out of curiosity can a PI be displaced back to the line or is the only involuntary way out the door being furloughed?

What attributes of an empty line are attractive to you if you were to not be committed to TK? I guess if one lives in base would make the option far more appealing. I’m really trying my best here to analyze our options to see if any of you he choices are going to be viable.

yes a PI can be displaced out of the building.

I live in base and an empty line would allow me to fly the days I want to fly and fly as many hours as I need that month to cover my bills. I would only fly min guarantee while people on furlough.

Airhoss 07-18-2020 02:25 AM


Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 3094305)
yes a PI can be displaced out of the building.

I live in base and an empty line would allow me to fly the days I want to fly and fly as many hours as I need that month to cover my bills. I would only fly min guarantee while people on furlough.

Ahhhcept when there are no open trips to pick up for the whole month.

MasterOfPuppets 07-18-2020 04:31 AM


Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 3094373)
Ahhhcept when there are no open trips to pick up for the whole month.

and that’s fine because I have the ability to do Zero if that happens.


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