Originally Posted by Poss (Post 3124801)

Wadr we've never seen what? An exogenous event causing an airline over staffing issue leading to bumps and furloughs? We see it almost every ten years. Is the solution to perceived mistakes to turn this career into a multi year part time job for the majority every ten years?

Originally Posted by FettyWap (Post 3124819)

Unless the company threatens furloughs again and negotiates another “deal” or United goes through Ch11 and uses this “deal” as the new floor to argue for bigger concessions

Originally Posted by WhisperJet (Post 3124687)

What happened to the other forum?

Originally Posted by Zoomie (Post 3124704)

This didnt answer the question.

Where did the other forum go?

Seems really shady the other forum dissapears on the eve of a “potentially” cocessionary AIP.

Where did it go?
(...Things that make you go hmmm...)

Originally Posted by Barley (Post 3124825)

Generalizing past mistakes into the present unique situation which is by far worse than anything this airline has ever experienced holds some value, but it certainly isn’t how any professional ought to be navigating the path forward. I don’t believe anyone has or is suggesting this career be turned into a multi-year part-time job. Maybe trim back the emotions which are leading to a fear-mongering outcome and then ask thoughtful questions to your union reps based off of actual AiP language you’ve thoroughly read. Since we can’t do that yet there’s no need to react.

Originally Posted by Poss (Post 3124845)

No emotion. Facts. Compensation currently down 20-30%. Thankfully we have an MPG. Now another hit because there is absolutely no way the company will fund the no furlough/no displacement demand as prescribed by the MC. Multi-year because historically furloughs don't last six months to a year, but longer.

I've seen the playbook before us as many times as you have fingers on your hands. Unless you've undergone an amputation, and for that I'm sorry.

Be well.

Originally Posted by GPullR (Post 3124735)

There's hard set snap backs.

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Originally Posted by Thor (Post 3124853)

You've read it? Maybe you can answer this then,



The AIP is purported to have hard snapbacks and concessions are temporary. The thinking is that these concessions are required because of the downturn in revenue caused by the pandemic.



My observation is that humanity has done a miserable job so far in predicting the end of the pandemic, yet our pilot negotiating committee has agreed to an end date? How do they know?



Since you're in the know, is it possible that snapbacks are tied to UAL cash reserves so that if United is at risk of violated covenants (free cash) and is headed to bankruptcy that we enter BK with our "real" contract?

Originally Posted by Poss (Post 3124845)

No emotion. Facts. Compensation currently down 20-30%. Thankfully we have an MPG. Now another hit because there is absolutely no way the company will fund the no furlough/no displacement demand as prescribed by the MC. Multi-year because historically furloughs don't last six months to a year, but longer.

I've seen the playbook before us as many times as you have fingers on your hands. Unless you've undergone an amputation, and for that I'm sorry.

Be well.